Will the USC/ND Rivalry Continue?

Will the USC vs. Notre Dame rivalry stay alive? Ask Netflix

Trojans receiver Makai Lemon breaks through the Notre Dame defense during last year's game.

Ryan Kartje (LA Times)  —  Things are suddenly looking pretty sunny for the Trojans’ after a statement-making, 31-13 win over Michigan on Saturday night. This was precisely the sort of victory that has eluded Lincoln Riley over the previous three seasons. And now, at 5-1, USC heads to South Bend this week with a real chance to crash the College Football Playoff conversation for the first time since late 2022.

USC hasn’t won at Notre Dame since 2011, and its only trip under Riley, in 2023, was a total disaster. The stakes next Saturday in South Bend will be sky high for both teams … and not just because of the looming implications of the College Football Playoff.

There’s also the small matter of whether this historic rivalry will continue on at all past 2025.

Make no mistake, no matter what narratives have been spun during negotiations, both USC and Notre Dame want the annual game to continue. (Yes, even Lincoln Riley.) But right now, there is currently no contract for the two schools to continue their rivalry past this coming Saturday.

At a time when revenue has never been more critical to college athletic departments, officials at USC and Notre Dame are fully aware of how valuable the game is, both for their fans and their bottom lines. Which is why when Netflix called USC inquiring about the rights to a one-off of the rivalry in 2026, officials were happy to hear what they had to say.

A source familiar with those discussions but not authorized to speak publicly on the matter confirmed to The Times that Netflix reached out with significant interest in airing the game on its streaming platform as part of its push to “eventize” live sports. That pitch to USC included additional documentary content around the game to also air on Netflix, which already carries a behind-the-scenes series on Southeastern Conference football, “Any Given Saturday.”

There was one major complicating factor in those conversations. Notre Dame is under contract with NBC, which owns the rights to any home games, while USC is part of the Big Ten’s media rights deals with FOX, CBS and NBC. The rights to all of USC’s home slate, including its non-conference matchups, belong to the networks until 2030.

So with that in mind, Netflix suggested they play this single game at a neutral site, like Mexico City or Las Vegas, which, by USC’s interpretation, was not subject to the Big Ten’s media agreement. The networks, however, didn’t see it that way.

USC’s conversations with Netflix were first reported last month by Puck’s John Ourand, who characterized the school as being “extraordinarily naive” in thinking it could sell the rights to an individual, non-conference game. Ourand wrote at the time that the major networks “went berserk” when they heard of these talks, and Big Ten officials “almost immediately shut down the idea.”

But that’s not really the whole story. The Big Ten had already been informed that USC was exploring non-traditional options for continuing the series. USC, according to the source, brought the idea about broadcasting the game on Netflix to the Big Ten while those conversations were happening. It wasn’t trying to nefariously “circumvent” the conference’s media rights agreement. Ultimately, the Big Ten sided with its network partners on their interpretation of the media rights deal.

Conversations with Netflix and USC over future scheduling rights are actually still ongoing, in spite of all this. But considering the way the Big Ten’s network partners lost their minds in light of those talks, it’s unclear if there’s a path forward for the historic rivalry on Netflix.

USC is trying to keep its game with Notre Dame alive. But as their final game draws nearer, the question is whether the future of the rivalry can survive all the opposing powers currently at play.

Extra points

In a huge win, the Trojans paid a hefty price in losing Waymond Jordan and Eli Sanders. Sanders appears to have suffered a season-ending injury against Michigan, while there’s some hope that Jordan will be able to return from his ankle injury in four to six weeks. USC’s two-pronged rushing attack was one of the bright spots from the season’s first six weeks, and now, the offense will have no choice but to rely more on Jayden Maiava and the aerial attack. In the backfield, King Miller was the first to step into a significant role, but don’t be surprised if we see Bryan Jackson and Harry Dalton, when healthy, factor in. Dalton, in particular, could surprise people.

—Zach Hanson has done tremendous work with USC’s offensive line this season. When Josh Henson left to be Purdue’s offensive coordinator, Riley didn’t hesitate to move Hanson from tight ends coach to the offensive line. Turns out, he knew exactly what he was doing. I expected the offensive line to be a glaring weakness, and it has somehow been one of USC’s strengths early on this season. USC was already down one expected starter (DJ Wingfield) before the season and have lost two (Elijah Paige and Kilian O’Connor) for multiple games along the way. And still, against Michigan’s front seven, USC’s patchwork line didn’t allow a single sack while clearing the way for 224 rushing yards. Notre Dame will be another difficult test up front, but it’s time we stop doubting Hanson’s unit until they give us reason to think otherwise.

The Big Ten is moving toward a $2.4 billion private equity investment from a California pension fund. But is USC on board? The conference wants a consensus before making it official, and if you follow recent reporting, there appears to be momentum among Big Ten members to put this to a vote. But nothing I’ve heard since writing about this subject in last week’s newsletter suggests that USC’s concerns about the deal have been addressed. If the deal goes through, each Big Ten school will bring in at least $100 million, but the distribution will be uneven by school. USC sees no reason why it shouldn’t push for the same size slice of that pie as Michigan or Ohio State. It also knows how desperate the conference’s smaller schools are for that extra revenue. So why would it hand over that leverage without some sort of concession on the payout? My read is that this situation is not quite as unanimous as it seems.

The Big Ten media voted USC men’s basketball to finish 12th this season. They’re underestimating Eric Musselman. Sure, they won’t have five-star freshman Alijah Arenas as they hoped. But this is still a more talented and more complete team than last season, one that I expect to be pushing for at least a top-10 conference finish and an NCAA tournament berth. USC is significantly bigger and more physical in the frontcourt with forwards Jacob Cofie and Ezra Ausar, as well as 7-foot-5 center Gabe Dynes. The defense should be much improved, and the experience in the backcourt with Rodney Rice and Chad Baker-Mazara is significant. KenPom’s initial rankings have USC 22nd overall and fifth in the Big Ten. That’s optimistic, but more in line with my expectations.

USC's Chad Baker-Mazara reacts during a practice at USC.USC’s Chad Baker-Mazara reacts during a practice at USC. (Ringo Chiu / For The Times)

—Lindsay Gottlieb added yet another top talent to what’s looking like an All-Star roster for 2026-27. Australian forward Sitaya Fagan committed to USC on Thursday, giving Gottlieb the No. 1 international prospect in the class of 2026, to go along with the No. 1 prospect overall in the class, Saniyah Hall. Fagan, who chose USC over South Carolina, averaged 12.3 points and 5.3 rebounds per game during the FIBA U19 World Cup and would presumably make an instant impact in the Trojans frontcourt. That said, there won’t be much room in a lineup that already includes former top recruits Hall, Jazzy Davidson and Kennedy Smith.

latimes.com

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parcelman007
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October 17, 2025 7:39 am

A lot win depend on the kind of game Jaden Maiva has. There is reason to believe that he might have a great game. Last year ND was 4th in the nation in pass defense and Maiva lit them up for 360 yards.This years ND’s pass defense is only rated 107th. So if he did it last year he knows he can do it this year. Secondly, I think he may have a chip on his shoulder because it was his 2 pick six’s that lost last years game. So he should have the motivation and the confidence that he… Read more »

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October 16, 2025 3:59 pm

This game could be like the 2002 California game where SC was 3-2 going into the game and was behind 21-3(which would have made them 3-3 in the first half of the season) and they came back and won 30-28 and then won the next 7 games averaging 43.1 points per game. That really was the start of the greatest part of the Pete Carrol era.
If they were to win this game in South Bend, the same thing could happen. They might even beat Oregon. This is a huge game.

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October 16, 2025 7:09 pm
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I was there and I’ve written about it. Mike Williams caught a third-down pass in traffic to keep alive a drive that made it 21-10. It was the play that turned around the game that turned around the season that turned around SC football.

That was a heady time for me. At the same time SC was starting to dominate, the Angels were marching toward their one and only (and never to be repeated) World Series.

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October 17, 2025 8:43 am
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Pete Carrolls Trojan legacy took off after that game.

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October 16, 2025 8:59 am

This would be a great win for the program…..even more than Michigan……is it possible?

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October 16, 2025 11:04 am
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Definitely due!!!!!

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October 15, 2025 5:58 pm

If you just look at the numbers, SC’s defense and the NC defense are not that much different. Total defense….SC is #59 and ND is #60…….Pass defense….SC is #104 and ND is #107…..Rush defense….SC is #29 and ND is #27 and scoring defense….SC is #50 and ND is #46. There is a difference on offense…..Total offense…..SC is #2…..ND is #21….Passing offense SC is #2….ND is number is #19…..Rushing offense SC is #16….ND is #50…..Scoring offense…..SC is #3….ND is # 14 So SC should at least be in the game. You must figure in that we are playing on ND’s home… Read more »

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October 15, 2025 7:08 pm
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It looks like thunderstorms that night……90% chance right now …..if they hit during the game they are supposed to last a long time. Hopefully the whole storm misses the area. The temp is also to drop substantially when the storm hits. Nothing worse than a cold wet night in south bend.

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October 15, 2025 11:25 pm
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I guess if anyone would know it would be Illinoisusc

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October 15, 2025 4:45 pm

I finally got caught up with comments just now. Before signing in this afternoon I only saw 1 comment while the site was saying many more. Anyway the thought that one of largest TV markets in the country receiving lower compensation than Podunk University does not seem tenable. It might be the driving force for USC becoming independent. They can claim fraud on the part of the B1G and avoid fees for leaving the home cooking league. Ucla would probably fall back to the PAC2??? USC can negotiate their own media deal. I don’t USC should accept another Ben Dover… Read more »

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October 15, 2025 3:14 pm

The weather is not looking quite as bad as it did yesterday for South Bend this Saturday. Percentage chances of rain are less, and continuing to change.

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October 16, 2025 8:57 am
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Lord…..Give us great weather……we need it saturday night in South Bend

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October 15, 2025 6:41 pm
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What is Mandel talking about? Is he so certain the team will bend over like it did at Illinois in the Domer atmosphere? Was the Michigan game a mirage being a home game and the travel sapped the maze & blue’ energy like it has others? Is that what Mandel thinks? All I want to see is the team playing hard & physical with no dumb penalties. If the refs want to call phantom penalties, there’s not a damn thing we can do about it and they know it. Just no cheap give-away scores to the Irish. I also want… Read more »

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October 15, 2025 8:31 am

USC’s Jen Cohen raised issues yesterday with tBIG which render the proposed $2.4B buy-out a “stillborn” offer. USC and Michigan held a Zoom meeting with tBIG president. Both schools questioned tBIG’s proposed one-time payment of up to $150M for media rights from 2030 through 2046. USC politely pointed out that a one-time lump sum payment $150M does not address the escalating annual costs of athletics over a 16 year period. USC correctly pointed out there are alternative revenue streams for future media rights. Both USC and Michigan have interim presidents. As a practical matter, both interim presidents would have to have… Read more »

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Having a career in Insurance, I remember it was the late 1990s Cal-Pers invested heavily in European Real Estate and lost their shirts on it losing an untold amount of retirement reserves. Enough to where Cal-Pers admitted unless they found investment returns of a solid 20% and above over a 20-year period, they were in danger of no longer paying out level retirement checks to their retirees. Fortunately Cal-Stirs didn’t invest enough to get so hurt in the same investment. Unlike Cal-Stirs, I believe Cal-Pers has the backup that the State would have to subsidize any substantial loss to Cal-Pers… Read more »

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October 14, 2025 10:34 pm

If we can have a balanced offense on Saturday, we should be able to beat Notre Dame.

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October 14, 2025 2:31 pm

A Notre Dame site says the forecast is rain rain rain for all day Saturday and into the evening. Hope we are practicing with a wet and slippery football.

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October 14, 2025 3:34 pm
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Today is a good day for that in LA.

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October 15, 2025 4:59 am
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Oh really? How convenient!

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October 15, 2025 11:28 am
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It figures…..Indiana has been drier than the Sahara for 3 months….the game we wait a year for comes and it rains……

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October 14, 2025 9:27 am

If NBC owns the “ ND home game rights” and we know they are part of the Fox BIG network package, why doesn’t the “peacock” channel do some negotiating itself to willingly work with the scheduling issues with all involved. What I won’t appreciate is seeing the ND throng use this roadblock as USC backing out of the continued rivalry. Although knowing how ND sometimes operates it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see them use it to their advantage somehow. ND needs this rivalry more than USC so let’s hope they act like adults rather than cheap hooligans.

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October 14, 2025 2:34 pm
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Yeah, but they need our game most seasons to cover up their semi conference ACC games and other weak traditional games, like Stanfurd and Navy. We are not without some leverage here.

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I just reviewed the 100 most TV viewership college football games for 2024. USC is listed in several of the games……but unless my old eyes are off…..USC vs Notre Dame was not one of them. Granted USC was not doing well last year but Notre Dame was playoff bound. Times change.
IMO USC would be better off playing one of the SEC powers.

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This is the game we don’t need a QB trying to make a throw he shouldn’t and throw it away. I hope he got an earful on the sidelines after that thoughtless pick deep in the Michigan red zone 2nd quarter. What drives me up the wall is right after a QB throws a stupid pick he acts like, what have I done. And that was his exact reaction after throwing the pick. His discipline is still in question until he stops forcing passes. If the team can show some resilience and discipline, USC can win this game. Don’t give… Read more »

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Ryan Kartje’s article is silent on which schools would receive what? USC needs to bang on the table and DEMAND “Top-Tier” money. Currently tBIG implies a breakdown of the 18 schools into Top Tier (Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State); Upper-Tier (USC, Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin and Nebraska); Mid-Tier (Iowa, Michigan State, Minnesota and UCLA); and Lower Tier (Indiana, Illinois, Maryland, Northwestern, Rutgers and Purdue). These ratings include stadium size, alumni involvement, television, etc. The proposed “uneven” distribution would pay $140M to $180M to Top Tier and $120M to $140M for Upper Tier, with lesser pay outs to Mid and Lower… Read more »

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October 14, 2025 9:13 am
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What is the point of the deal? Is this a one time influx of cash? Is a Public Employee Union Pension Fund (CalPERS) going to help the Big10 generate more ongoing revenue? If it is a one time pay out then I would give it to the schools that need the boost the most. If it is on going new revenue streams then Tier it. The trouble is you have a rising Indiana and a falling Penn St. Oregon, USC, Michigan and Ohio St already have deep pockets. With such different needs and demands hard to see a consensus.

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October 14, 2025 10:21 am
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A California Public Employee Union giving money at least some of it to a California Public University sounds like a conflict of interest violation some how.

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October 14, 2025 2:39 pm
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I don’t live out west anymore, but isn’t that fund overextended and doesn’t have the resources to cover all the retirement bennys that it is obligated to pay?

seems like that has been the story for 29years.

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The unfunded liability is only $180 billion! So go ahead, create some new scheme that’s never been done before?

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October 15, 2025 5:07 am
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Okay, so what’s another couple of billion in the red….

The weather is great and I miss going to the SC games at the Coli, but stories like the Calpers pension being grossly underfunded reminds me why I left.

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October 14, 2025 8:26 am
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Notice ND has one great rivalry. USC has 2 plus now 2 or 3 must see Big10 games each year. Who needs who the most? ND needs to give in. I hope they do and play it in September or October. The Big10 needs to help out USC as well with conference schedule and bye week around the ND game. I’m still hoping for a Dublin game some year!

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October 14, 2025 9:37 am
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I have friends who are gigantic Alabama supporters and they tell me they have not missed the USC/ND game since the 70’s. I see it as bigger than MI/tOHS simply because it is such a cross country event. I see this list through the bias and age of the writer.

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October 15, 2025 1:55 pm
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Interestingly, no less than Nick Saban himself said Alabama’s biggest rival was Tennessee.

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October 17, 2025 11:23 am
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This is a rivalry in which goal posts end up in rivers and such. It’s big.

Definitely gonna have it on my 2nd screen and recording both games for later viewing.

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October 14, 2025 6:01 am

I like that SC is pushing back on the private equity thing. The B1G continues to treat us as a red-headed step-child–PAC-12 style.

The B1G wanted the LA market for college football–that road goes through USC. No reason we shouldn’t get the same share as the the elephants in the room–MICH and tOSU.

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October 14, 2025 7:27 am
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USC would be foolish and regret not demanding the same money as tOSU. In another couple of years USC is going to replace tOSU as the top dog.

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October 14, 2025 8:49 am
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In another couple of years USC is going to replace tOSU as the top dog.

Please, let it be so!

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October 17, 2025 11:23 am
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Yes!!