USC Football Can Workout Again

Adam Grosbard (OC Register)  —  The USC football and men’s water polo programs were cleared to return to workouts on Tuesday following a nearly two-week pause due to positive COVID-19 tests in the two teams.

In the last 11 days, USC conducted three rounds of COVID-19 testing among student-athletes participating in workouts and had no new positive test results.

The two teams paused workouts on Aug. 26 due to eight positive COVID-19 tests across the rosters that were traced back to off-campus spread around the USC community.

The pause was extended to after Labor Day after one additional positive test last week, but now the teams can return to their socially distant workouts held outside in compliance with Los Angeles County health guidelines.

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Steveg
Mt Rushmore
September 12, 2020 5:51 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Allen this circus for 2020 football season has taken a toll on the fans too. I know speaking for myself how empty this season is starting with no Trojan football, it is just hard to take.

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 13, 2020 8:45 am
Reply to  Steveg

Steveg, to be honest, have we had Trojan football since Sam graduated? I do not know what to call what Clay has put on the field, but it is more like Utah State football than Trojan football.

Terrific Tommy
Diamond Member
September 12, 2020 7:01 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Revenue will not bounce back quickly either IMHO. And when it comes to cash, no school will escape the 2020 damage it will suffer quickly — particularly the private institutions.

But hey Allen, here’s a brilliant way to lessen the negative PR damage, raise tuition 3.5% and teach courses online in the process. What a great management decision. 👎

ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 13, 2020 7:40 am
Reply to  Terrific Tommy

I know of lifelong donors to the University who have pledged to NEVER give another dime to the school until leadership changes are made in the President’s Office and the BOT’s…. That may be the only way to get anyone’s attention in University Park.

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 13, 2020 8:52 am
Reply to  Terrific Tommy

Tommy, I think you are right on. Most SC fans are going to remember this for some time. Madame President Mao will face the bottom line of loss of income support (not that she cares that much). I wonder what ESPN and Fox are doing re payments to the Pac? My guess is they are simply not paying them. How about the sponsor to UCLA? I think they were paying 13 million a year. Think they are paying? Think of all the infrastructure at USC that was built around football. That is now sitting fallow. The income loss must be… Read more »

ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 13, 2020 7:36 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

I spent yesterday at home working on business related things on my computer. Every hour or so, I was treated to catcalls from my wife and daughter (graduates of GA Tech and GA Southern, respectively—both winners yesterday) about when the USC game was on, what channel, etc. 2020 is gonna be uncomfortable at my house. SC has become a P*ssy school in a P*ssy league thanks to poor leadership at every level. At least our AD is trying to step-up, but he is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic right now….

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 13, 2020 8:43 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

I still think the best statement was made by someone on this board. The Pac did not shoot itself in the foot by deciding not to play – it amputated a leg. My guess is the Big 10 reverses course and starts playing in a couple of weeks (ND assured that result I think – the fact the Irish are playing is a clear sign that the Big 10 Presidents were simply wrong in their assessment – a point they will never admit). I really do not know what the Pac will do.

Steveg
Mt Rushmore
September 12, 2020 4:45 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Let’s hope the federal government stays out of it.

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 13, 2020 8:39 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

I view this as a political dance. The decision not to play was based primarily, IMO, on politics, not the health of the players. The Big 10 Presidents can NEVER admit that. Thus, a dance. The academic bureaucracies inside the Big 10 overwhelmingly detest Trump and his supporters, who happen to want to play. So, the Presidents must dance. My guess is that they will reverse their decision based on “new facts The simple truth is they look foolish with ND playing and Mich and tOSU sitting out.

danielmcd1
Active Member
September 13, 2020 4:28 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Hi Allen, I was thinking about that game last night. It was the beginning of my Junior year at SC. We really ripped the south a new one that night. It IS hard to believe we were only 6-4-1. Our football team changed the way football players were recruited that night. 50 years later the south is still very biased and racial but Sam Cunningham and the Trojans at least gave thousands of deserving athletes an opportunity for higher education and starting point to the NFL and other professional opportunities that did not exist for non whites in the south… Read more »

ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 13, 2020 8:03 am
Reply to  danielmcd1

The racial bias of which you speak, i do not see; and I have lived here for 30 years now. The division of which you speak is a left-right political divide. DMcD, you probably won’t like to hear this, but the principals of MLK (Atlanta his home town and final resting place) have been bastardized by those who followed him. Sad to say, this included his immediate family. The use of his name to keep the race-division going has frankly been an embarrassment to Atlanta. The reason the King Family and the close “entourage” (Ralph David Abernathy and John Lewis,… Read more »

danielmcd1
Active Member
September 13, 2020 10:04 am
Reply to  ATL D.D.S.

ATL DDS, I have lived in southwest Florida since October 2015. So having lived and still living in the south my family has personally experienced racial bias on a first hand basis. My wife is from south America and so is her Mother who live with me and they are both US Citizens. My wife and I have experienced the culture of the southern people and the Northerners who live here full time and part time. Having “wet back” comments thrown at guests and family who have the ability to speak Spanish as well as English in public at our… Read more »

ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 13, 2020 5:24 pm
Reply to  danielmcd1

Well I am sorry for your experiences in SW Florida. My comments about Atlanta stand. I spoke up because the continued stereotypes of the South pain me. We look at a person here not at the groups that the Dems continue to push as a point of division….

ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 13, 2020 7:29 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Oh, hell no! Of course the little Maoist doesn’t know this fact about the history of the school that (regretfully) employs her.

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 12, 2020 1:38 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Allen, I know you think the Pac will follow. I remain skeptical. Perhaps Merton Hanks can work a miracle, but it is quite a challenge. They would have to get a variance from both the CA state and the local CA authorities to do so. Right now, it is illegal for SC, UCLA, Cal and Stanford to have a full team practice. Silly positions, but I view CA politicians as mindless ideologues. Speaking of idelogues, would Cal even be able to field a team? I assume that a huge chunk of that team would simply boycott absent their demands being… Read more »

Steveg
Mt Rushmore
September 12, 2020 4:52 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Great point Allen about the Rams, Chargers, even the 49ers. If they can go why can’t the colleges. Not fun watching Clemson/Wake Forest in what looks like Standard definition. Not sure if it is my channel or what.

John Weld
Admin
Diamond Member
September 12, 2020 7:00 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

I watched a couple of upsets that were good games; Arkansas St went on the road to beat Kansas St, 35-31 and Georgia Tech beat Florida St on the their home field, 16-13.

ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 12, 2020 9:28 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Never need to excuse yourself for being patriotic, Allen. Certainly not when I am around. Fight On and God Bless America

Steveg
Mt Rushmore
September 12, 2020 4:53 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Best statement I have heard about today”s world is what we need to do is be like we were on Sept. 12th.

Terrific Tommy
Diamond Member
September 11, 2020 8:18 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

And Niumatalolo was actually on my final list of six I would have settled for 3 years or so ago. Wow, being a faux-AD isn’t that easy Allen. 😏

Steveg
Mt Rushmore
September 12, 2020 4:55 pm
Reply to  Terrific Tommy

His only real problem is not his coaching so much as it is his system he uses. i think Navy will wake up for their next game.

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 11, 2020 6:51 pm

Just read a survey online. Who knows how valid it is. Claims the sports industry has taken a huge hit in public perception- the largest of any industry fell from a 45% positive to a 30% positive with the 15% shifting to negative. I know I will never watch the NBA again for any reason. Baseball is now a close second. Doubt I will ever watch it again. I used to watch the NBA playoffs and at least two baseball games a week. Never again. I will also never purchase Nike again. Not that they care! Evidently, I am not… Read more »

Steveg
Mt Rushmore
September 12, 2020 4:57 pm
Reply to  TrojanRJJ

RJJ, you aren’t alone, still a lot of us rednecks (lol) still hanging on. I have officially given up on professional sports also.

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 11, 2020 5:57 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Love it. Nebraska is pushing back big time. You can see that tOSU is also pushing back. Harbaugh also joined in. The decision to push back May force the Big 10 to change, particularly as the evidence of heart inflammation is disappearing. Notice the huge difference in the “woke” Pac. Crickets here. Marches and lawsuits in the Big Ten. If you were looking for a career in the NFL and wanted serious football culture, would you stay in the Pac? I would not.

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 11, 2020 6:33 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Allen, as I recall both of us agreed that collegiate football on the West Coast was in trouble. The Pac is now in really bad shape no matter what the Big Ten does. I think Oregon has lost 7 starters:”; SC has lost two; that I know of, UCLA has lost one; AZ has also lost a ton. And, this ignores the social justice warriors at Cal and how many others they can convince. I totally agree, the Pac is in serious trouble. The problem is I think most of the Pac Presidents view this as a favorable outcome, including… Read more »

Jamaica
Knighted Member
September 12, 2020 10:29 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Maybe the presidents don’t have an actual agenda to de-emphasize football. However, it seems a too big of a portion of the schools in this conference feel all they have to do is put a team on the field to play a game, whether it can beat anyone or not. The level of play in this conference shows it is inferior to the other Power 5 conferences with one maybe two schools trying to build championship level winners. You could argue the other conferences have maybe 2 or 3-schools trying to win big also. But the drop off in competitive… Read more »

Jamaica
Knighted Member
September 12, 2020 11:53 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

And yet….. California, because of its living attraction, has produced for decades, a top 2/3 recruiting base for most all sports not just football. The opportunity to build a successful program with more top athletes available close by makes it easier to produce a winning program cuts the difficulty in half if you take aim at that resource. California high school football continues to produce an over abundance of college bound players If Clay Helton could do just one thing at a high enough level, that of recruiting the high end of football recruits in his backyard, all he would… Read more »

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 12, 2020 1:31 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

I was not as clear as I should have been. I do not think the Pac Presidents wish to de-emphasize football. They are simply neither nurturing it nor protecting it. At the same time, they are strongly supporting, encouraging, nuturing and protecting cultures that are adverse to it. That is simply not happening at a place like ND. It is half now at the ND/Duke game. The ND administration treasures its football heritage and legacy and both nurtures and protects them. That is simply not happening at SC (which has a legacy and heritage equal to or better than ND)… Read more »

Steveg
Mt Rushmore
September 12, 2020 5:01 pm
Reply to  TrojanRJJ

Sure wish someone in CA would do the same, but our AG is about as out of it as you can get being so extreme leftist.

Jamaica
Knighted Member
September 11, 2020 6:10 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

I don’t get it. Two things that ever happened to Nebraska was having the NORAD due to the State’s central location for SAC operations and, being invited to join the Big Ten. And the invitation was mostly due to Husker football which is pretty much all that University has notoriously succeeded at. Their academic rating is not that good. Now the program wants to grab their ball and go home to pout if they can’t play football. It isn’t about what they want, it is about them being a member of a conference that is trying to do the right… Read more »

John Weld
Admin
Diamond Member
September 11, 2020 8:45 am

Golden Trojan
Diamond Member
September 11, 2020 10:02 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

It seems to me a sign of a great coach that can adapt their system to the maximize the talents of their players. It never seemed to make sense to try to force players to try to do something they can’t.

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 10, 2020 5:36 pm

I just read an article that the German study showing a high incidence of heart inflammation tied to COVID 19 was simply wrong and has been withdrawn. Common sense would indicate that such a correlation does not exist. If COVID actually caused heart inflammation, we would have seen a much higher incidence in the many folks who actually contracted it.

Steveg
Mt Rushmore
September 10, 2020 6:26 pm
Reply to  TrojanRJJ

Are you equating common sense and the world of academia? 😁

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ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 10, 2020 7:48 pm
Reply to  Steveg

Academia and Common Sense: those concepts go together like Military and Intelligence or Jumbo and Shrimp….

Golden Trojan
Diamond Member
September 11, 2020 10:10 am
Reply to  TrojanRJJ

Seems way to soon to be able to know the full story about this myocarditis. How many get it, how long does it last, how many have permanent damage. The prudent thing would be to monitor high level athletes and for other post Wuhan with cardiac symptoms to avoid strenuous exercise for awhile. Good research takes time.

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 10, 2020 11:55 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Per our discussion below, if a kid is at SC for an NFL career AND the kid has the potential for such a career AND it eligible to leave for the NFL this spring, playing for SC this year (assuming SC plays at all) would be insane. The two top prospects have already left. I think 6 or 7 have opted out of Oregon as well. Playing the Pac in 2020 for those kids is simply irrational. If a kid is in a conference that is actually playing, then it makes sense to play and improve your stock for the… Read more »

Terrific Tommy
Diamond Member
September 10, 2020 6:20 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Allen, just thank the Trojan Gods that we are very deep at the O-line position and have outstanding coaching on that side of the line.

Oh wait, that’s Alabama I’m thinking about. Never mind!!! 😟

ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 10, 2020 4:58 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Was this guy another Helton miss? Sounds like an incredible athlete.

ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 10, 2020 7:51 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Thanks for the history lesson. I remember the guy’s name,didn’t realize it was so long ago….

Steveg
Mt Rushmore
September 8, 2020 5:43 pm

There will be lots of workouts, but no football till after the election (virus) and the civil unrest after Trump wins.

Jamaica
Knighted Member
September 9, 2020 9:53 am
Reply to  Steveg

Could be right on both fronts steveg. I have a hunch some coaches are purposely holding back test results to hide the positive cases that would cause a public outcry to stop the practices & games. You are not going to please everyone on this matter. Either way you will get blasted by those on the other side of the fence.

Golden Trojan
Diamond Member
September 8, 2020 4:30 pm

Lane Kiffin on physical practices at Ole Miss with reduced numbers at practice. “I guess in a way I’ve kind of had a little bit of practice…the sanctions at USC our numbers were so far down. I think I made a mistake that year after that really good year there even though our numbers were really, really low because of the sanctions and only being able to sign 15 guys. We didn’t tackle. We didn’t do the same practice formats and we went out and played really poorly that year,” related Kiffin. (at Ole Miss)“We’ve tackled like we normally do… Read more »

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Jamaica
Knighted Member
September 8, 2020 5:35 pm
Reply to  Golden Trojan

Good post Golden Trojan and so so true. However, Kiffin never got orders from Pat Haden to just “baby sit” the team like Nikias wanted Helton to do? And I don’t believe Kif could have stomached following that kind if order if he was given it. I have to believe even Max Nikias would have found another HC for the football team if he cared about winning games & championships. No one could be that clueless could they?.Kif keeps bringing up his days at USC enough to where you sometimes wonder if he would jump at that gig if offered… Read more »

Golden Trojan
Diamond Member
September 8, 2020 5:50 pm
Reply to  Jamaica

Depending on how Kiffin does at Miss., I would kinda like to see him back at SC. Coach O came back to SC through Ole Miss.

ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 8, 2020 8:17 pm
Reply to  Jamaica

In this Sh**storm of a year, 2020 could bring anything to the door of reality. Kiffy returning to SC would be small potatoes compared to the political pandemic we have been forced to endure….

Terrific Tommy
Diamond Member
September 8, 2020 8:33 pm
Reply to  ATL D.D.S.

And the good news ATL (cough; cough) is that we still have 56 more days until it’s over — assuming, of course, that when the votes are all counted there’s no challenge to the outcome. 🙏

ATL D.D.S.
Diamond Member
September 9, 2020 7:02 am
Reply to  Terrific Tommy

There are radical groups out there that are planning a response to any voting outcome that doesn’t include a landslide for Biden of delay, riot, delay, riot until they get the outcome they want. See Orange County Congressional Elections in 2018. Mail The Vote is a transparent attempt by the left to cause more shenanigans on a national level as what happened in OC 2 years ago.

danielmcd1
Active Member
September 9, 2020 9:03 am
Reply to  Jamaica

Jamaica, you may be on to something! Kif does or did have a home in Manhattan Beach I believe. And so does or did Sark. Knowing who is the AD in our man Bohn, he might entertain that in the near future. In retrospect, Kiffin had the deck stacked against him with our limitations, which were not of his doing. Maybe he has matured enough to handle a job like USC now. I do want to see this defensive coaching group have the opportunity to show what our team can do. We know we have a potent offense with the… Read more »

Jamaica
Knighted Member
September 9, 2020 11:05 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Allen, it is a bad break for USC football that Helton would ignore the obvious you point out. How he would turn his back from one of the most storied balanced offenses in all of CFB and gets away with recruiting 3-star linemen expecting them to just protect the QB who throws the ball 98% of the time. But then he goes further into disbelief bringing in a OL coach who has zero experience with this Air Raid offense and it immediately shows so blatantly how poorly it is all managed. Its like Helton never cares to lay out a… Read more »

gametv
Active Member
September 9, 2020 11:43 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

But this year we lost the top 3 in-state receivers – Troy Franklin, Beau Collins and Kyron Ware Hudson to other teams. So how can we expect to stay an elite passing team if we lose the top receivers in our immediate area? There is a real recruiting problem on the offensive side of the ball. As we lose some past offensive line recruits from the team, they are replaced with 3 star athletes. The offense could be a shambles in another year or two if things dont get better. If Harrell is such a gem, why dont the best… Read more »

Jamaica
Knighted Member
September 9, 2020 12:23 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

No Allen I didn’t forget about your support of GH & his offense. But I responded to your post on Drevno & Helton preventing this offense from executing better. When GH came aboard, I took him at his word he would run the ball. He hasn’t or he doesn’t run it enough to keep all the pressure off the QB. Steve Spurrier’s Fun”n”gun offense is the closest passing offense to Air Raid that won a nattie. He ran the ball some 20-30% of the game. GH runs maybe 5% at the most and puts so much danger on the QB… Read more »

Jamaica
Knighted Member
September 11, 2020 10:44 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Following up with your post here, I think if the Air Raid has any chance of becoming an offense that can get a team like USC to the playoff and win, you have to have a running component worthy enough to offset what the defense is scheming on. Right now, when you play the Trojan offense, you simply gameplan two priorities: getting to the QB to knock him out and physically punishing the WRs like meat on a hook to where the Receiver starts worrying about the next big hit & gang tackle after his legs rather than getting open… Read more »

gametv
Active Member
September 9, 2020 11:35 am
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Clay said that he made the decision to move to the air raid offense after the Notre Dame game two years ago. Clay did use a quick passing offense, with JT at the helm, and USC actually played really well in the first half and kept the game fairly close. So Clay went all-in on the air raid offensive concept. But the lesson that Clay should have learned was that we performed better with an air raid offense because our offensive line was performing so poorly. It is the only offense that is suited to a weak team. He should… Read more »

TrojanRJJ
Diamond Member
September 9, 2020 2:37 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

Allen, I know you love GH AND I agree (a) he is (i) the most talented coach on the staff, (ii) has a significant upside, and (b) his spread O is a light years upgrade from Tee Martin, Clay and the “gumbo” O. But, he is also (d) young and learning. Thus, Clay’s incompetence is both a blessing and a curse. A competent HC would be mentoring GH. NO CHANCE Clay is capable of that!. So, GH is learning on the job. I view the OL issues as part of GH’s learning curve. I think that when Orlando took the… Read more »

gametv
Active Member
September 9, 2020 5:12 pm
Reply to  TrojanRJJ

TrojanRJJ – You and I think identical on this. I think that Harrell is one of the best QB coaches in all of college football. But he doesnt have a strong head coach to learn how to be a full OC. So we have a high-wire act for an offensive plan. It is just too dependent upon perfection and super quick-release from the QB. He will be a perfect fit at a college that cant recruit top players and is happy to win 9 games a year. But USC does have the ability to get top talent (once we remove… Read more »

Terrific Tommy
Diamond Member
September 9, 2020 5:20 pm
Reply to  gametv

I agree with you and Allen on Harrell. But I think for total staff excellence, we may just have it on the other side of the ball as well. Time will tell, but I’m loving what I’ve heard up to this point in time.

Now, if they practice as “smash-mouth” as they claim they will, the O-line will out of self-defense get tougher — or bleed a whole lot on the practice field. Then we’ll see how focused on running the ball Harrell will become. One can only hope.

Steveg
Mt Rushmore
September 10, 2020 6:24 pm
Reply to  Allen Wallace

I am in agreement with you about Orlando. Getting fired by Herman was the greatest thing that ever happened to Orlando. Herman has not, and I don’t think he ever will reach the hype he got when hired by Texas.