USC RB Reggie Bush pushes QB Matt Leinhart into the end zone, sealing victory over the Irish on Oct. 15 2005, in South Bend. The iconic game-winning moment is famously nicknamed “The Bush Push”. (Joe Raymond / AP)Bill Plaschke (LA Times) — The ongoing discussions about continuing the expired USC-Notre Dame football rivalry should begin with one basic truth.
Notre Dame needs USC more than USC needs Notre Dame.
One need look no further than Sunday, when the Fighting Irish will be selected as one of the 12 teams to compete in this season’s College Football Playoff.
Notre Dame needs to profusely, profoundly thank USC.
USC receiver Tanook Hines attempts to make a catch under pressure from Notre Dame’s Dallas Golden at Notre Dame Stadium on Oct. 18. (Justin Casterline / Getty Images)
Notre Dame would not be in this position without USC.
The 10-2 Irish lost their first two games of the season before embarking on their usual cupcake schedule. Somewhere in the muck of forgettable games against the likes of Boise State and Boston College and Navy, they needed a marquee win.
USC showed up in October and gave them the opportunity for that marquee win. Every year USC shows up in the middle of the season and gives them a chance at collecting that marquee win.
Notre Dame can’t get that win from a strong conference foe because they refuse to join a conference. Notre Dame can’t get that win from another national powerhouse in late October or November because nobody in their right mind would risk their high ranking at such a late date to play such a strong independent.
USC is Notre Dame’s safety net. USC is Notre Dame’s ace in the hole. USC is Notre Dame’s blue-and-golden ticket.
And what is Notre Dame to USC?
This season, as in the past, they were a poorly timed roadblock that unnecessarily stifled USC’s hopes.
Just as USC handed Notre Dame a spot in this year’s playoff, one could reasonably argue that Notre Dame kept the Trojans out of this year’s playoff.
Imagine if, instead of losing to the Irish during a rainy October evening, the Trojans played a small-time opponent that night at the Coliseum. You know, take a schedule break like those schools in the overrated SEC? You think maybe USC wins that game, finishes 10-2, and it’s enough for the buzz-conscious selection committee to let them join football’s dance?
Of course it would be. The Notre Dame game proved as pivotal in the Trojans postseason hopes as it always does, and that’s increasingly silly.
No other conference-affiliated team endures the annual potential midseason mugging from an established independent like USC.
Every year the Trojans are throwing haymakers through the thick of their conference schedule when suddenly they get pulled out of the ring and dragged into the alley and forced to deal with an old nemesis from down the street.
If they beat him down, their season survives. If they are beaten down, their season disappears. No other conference-affiliated team has to deal with anything like this.
The Trojans belong to the Big Ten, but their season is often decided by the Entitled One, and that just no longer makes sense.
Lincoln Riley, the USC coach, set this issue ablaze two summers ago with quotes that suggested he no longer wanted to play the game, period.
“If you get in a position where you’ve got to make a decision on what’s best for SC to help us win a national championship versus keeping that, shoot, then you gotta look at it,” he said.
Granted, that was a misguided sentiment. Yes, you look at the rivalry, but you don’t even think about eliminating it. We’re talking 96 years of one of the best traditions in sports.
Three words. The Bush Push. I was there, and I’d never before experienced such rollicking waves of breathtaking suspense at any sporting event anywhere.
The tradition is unmatched. The history is undeniable. The rivalry must endure.
But, like many things in the changing world of college football, it could use a little tweaking.
USC should not run from the Irish. But USC should rearrange the Irish.
In their current negotiations with Notre Dame — their contract expired this fall — USC needs to use its leverage and make a stand.
Move the game to the start of the season. Play it in late August. Position it so a loss would not eliminate either team from a potential spot in the playoffs.
Alternate spots every year, but always do it at the beginning of every year, when the teams are at full strength and the results are essentially harmless.
Notre Dame should be thrilled that they keep a decent program on their menu of weaklings, and USC should be thrilled that they maintain the tradition.
You want a second opinion on this, check out USC Athletic Director Jennifer Cohen’s smart explanation of the situation in a recent open letter to Trojan fans.
“For the well-being of our student-athletes, and to schedule equitably with our Big Ten rivals, we want to play our non-conference opponents in the Coliseum as early as possible every year,” she wrote. “USC is the only team in the Big Ten to play a non-conference road game after Week 4 in either of the past two seasons. USC is also the only team to play a non-conference game after Week 4 in both seasons.”

So you see, despite the biased whispers coming from South Bend, Cohen doesn’t want to run from Notre Dame, she just wants her Trojans to be in a fair race.
Moving the Notre Dame game to the beginning of the season seems fair to everyone, even if Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua seems insistent on keeping USC as their season savior.
“I think there’s no secret that USC would like to play our game earlier in the season,” he told the Dan Patrick Show earlier this fall. “… Where can we position this game so it’s a ‘win win’ for us when we go out there and when USC comes here and visits?”
The Irish are not going to get their win-win. And to end the rivalry over a few calendar dates is a lose-lose.
Both Notre Dame and USC are going to have to compromise to get this done and, for the sake of one of the grandest Saturdays in college sports, here’s hoping they do.
Notre Dame indeed needs USC more than USC needs Notre Dame.
But, in the end, they both need each other.
latimes.com
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Sorry friends, I saw this and couldn’t resist.
That’s Dr. Hermy, Dentist of the North Pole. Give an elf his due, man.😎
Hermy The Elf, D.D.S.!
It takes a brave dentist to remove teeth from a bumble!
Boy, things can sure go south fast! Not only was HC Sherrone Moore (married and with three daughters) fired by MICH for cause over an “inappropriate relationship” with football staffer Paige Shiver after someone ratted him out. To add insult into injury, the 38-yr old was later detained by police because of an assault incident and was taken to Washtenaw County Jail on Wednesday night. Moore is in custody and has been arrested (charges unknown). The Wolverines are now the only B1G school without a HC after PSU hired Matt Campbell, MSU hired Pat Fitzgerald and UCLA hired Bob Chesney just recently. Sherrone and wife… Read more »
Let’s not overlook that it wasn’t always the coach making successful advances but the dept. gold digger seeing a way to advance their standing in the World. You would have to be an idiot not seeing what an adulterous affair could become in such a spotlight setting.
A thought that is unpopular but learned from experience.
Unfortunately…..what most daddies do not want to understand…..their sweet little girl becomes a hunting calculating tiger when they are away from home. At work and elsewhere.
This nonsense of creating equality has almost destroyed us.
Timely news for USC … CFB ADs Reportedly ‘Threatening’ to Stop Scheduling Notre Dame amid CFP Rule Change Andrew Peters (B/R) — A new College Football Playoff rule change that favors Notre Dame could lead to teams avoiding playing the Fighting Irish in the coming seasons. According to Yahoo Sports’ Dan Wolken, athletic directors “are threatening to freeze” Notre Dame out of future schedules over the new rule. Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua said earlier this week that the memorandum of understanding the Fighting Irish signed with the CFP guarantees the program a spot in the field if it is ranked in the… Read more »
I have always had the view, Love to beat ND, some respect for the institution, but no real emotion beyond that. Now they are starting bug me with this superiority attitude. It would serve them right if top Power 4 programs stop scheduling them. There are 2 independents in FBS, ND and UConn. Get off your high horse join the ACC and compete like everybody else.
Good luck to anyone, or any group, trying to force ND out of its independent status. As their AD said, it’s in their DNA. They LOVE their status. I met a lot of Notre Dame people publishing SuperPrep. Some very impressive. And a lot of them know a lot about ball because Irish football is such a big deal to them. The ones I got to know had a lot of respect for USC. I can’t wait to see how this all plays out. I have no idea how it will turn, or if it will even change one iota… Read more »
Of course ND loves their independent status. For example, take a peek at their 2026 schedule. C’mon. What’s next, they negotiate at home and away series with the Coast Guard Academy? Perhaps a juco. But a really good one. You’ll never find them close to joining a big boy conference.
The ACC is too easy–they should join the B1G.
ON3 thinks Riley is a big candidate for Michigan, along with DeBoer and Kelly. I don’t think either DeBoer or Riley are interested, and Kelly would be a mistake. Fisch is the guy.
Fisch is a really good coach. Probably better than Riley
I’d rather coach the Huskies than the Wolverines. JMHO.
Riley isn’t leaving SC for Michigan given his salary and the weather and house he gets here.
Michigan has fired Moore…..sexual issues.
For cause, they don’t pay him a dime. Stupid man.
2x…..
Former USC AA LB Rey Maualuga Named to Polynesian Football Hall of Fame
LOS ANGELES– Former USC linebacker Rey Maualuga has been named to the Polynesian Football Hall of Fame Class of 2026.
He is the seventh Trojan to be inducted into the Polynesian Football Hall of Fame, joining linebacker Lofa Tatupu (2019), linebacker Riki Ellison (2017), safety Troy Polamalu (2016), offensive lineman Charley Ane (2016), fullback Mosi Tatupu (2015) and linebacker Junior Seau (2014).
Mosi Tatupu was my hero in HS. I picked 36 as my jersey number after watching his first game as fullback in 1975. Just a crusher when it came to lead blocking
FSU GM Darrick Yray (since Feb 7, ’22) is a Bruin target for the same spot on Bob Chesney’s new staff, per CBS Sports. Before joining the ‘Noles, Yray was at ORE ST.
“We don’t need to be the other school in this town,” Chesney said, “we need to be the school in this town and I promise that will happen here in the very, very near future.”
I hope he comes in and can do for the Bruins what he did for Oregon State!
Darrick Yray has taken the GM job with the Bruins.
Pardon my skepticism, Bob, but we’ve heard that before. More than once.
You would think he would have looked over at least a couple of the old coaches remarks.
Ya, like this doozy. They all can’t help it. It’s in their blood.
Here’s Lincoln Riley, while looking over the Coliseum after being introduced to throngs of hungry, victory-starved Trojan fans:
Riley proudly proclaimed, “This place is going to be full. This is going to be the mecca of college football.”
He should have added, “Sometime in your lifetime, maybe.” 😂
I couldn’t resist! Maybe Rudy’s looking at the Portal.
😂
I hate ND but I definitely loved that movie.
CFP Anger Boils Over Question — Notre Dame AD Pete Bevacqua is complaining that the ACC did “permanent damage” to their relationship. Apparently, they didn’t like being “singled out” repeatedly in comparisons with Miami. Does ACC commissioner Jim Phillips owe any loyalty at all to Notre Dame football? The Irish chose not to join the conference for football, but enjoy some of the benefits of being in a conference, including preferred scheduling and selection for bowl games. Stewart Mandel (The Athletic) — Remember 11 months or so ago when Notre Dame had become likable for the first time thanks to Marcus… Read more »
Makai Lemon and Bishop Fitzgerald recognized by The Athletic nytimes.com — Few things illustrate how much college football has changed than this time of year, with honorees emerging from unlikely locales. A Heisman finalist from Indiana and Vanderbilt? A Texas Tech defensive player winning awards? College football is much different in 2025 than it was in 2015. That shift is also illustrated on The Athletic’s postseason All-America teams, where the No. 1 Hoosiers had more representatives (five) than any single SEC team. But there are plenty of familiar faces, too (Ohio State leads the way with six picks), and the two… Read more »
If Indiana did it, why can’t UCLA? New Bruin football coach Bob Chesney and the Bruins share why they believe he will win … Dylan Hernandez (LA Times) — The Sleeping Giant of a football program has been hibernating for so long that no one can be certain it’s still hibernating. The Sleeping Giant could be a Dead Giant. Bob Toledo couldn’t build a consistent winner at UCLA. Rick Neuheisel, Jim Mora and Chip Kelly couldn’t either. None of them were able to build a nationally relevant program by leveraging UCLA’s numerous advantages — the high-profile conferences in which its… Read more »
This article is correct in one reason for a football program asleep at the wheel: the leadership! But it goes beyond Westwood in as it has in Berkeley. It starts & ends at the UC BODs that are politically appointed by the Governor. Nothing happens without their approval and I don’t think I need to go into what he thinks in appointments as he is a total disgrace. It would be great to see that program become resurgent again but there is so much debt over there I just don’t see them prioritizing something they haven’t cared about for decades… Read more »
Jamaica makes good points. How much are the UC Regents and Chancellor into UCLA football? They have such debt how much can they put into NIL? According to SI UCLA is spending 27% of what USC is spending on ’26 recruits. Is Bob Chesney the next Cignetti? Chesney is getting paid half of what top coaches are getting, including Cignetti. If he has any success how long will he stay? The smart business decision for the Regents might be keep football spending down collect the Big10 money and put the balance into reducing debt and other sports. So far it… Read more »
Actually, Chesney worries me. I would just as soon see UCLA continue to dawdle in the slop with the other bottom feeders, where they belong. Coach speak is coach speak, and the CFB world is notable for big talk from guys with problems in front of them they have under-estimated. Look at Lincoln Riley. While looking over the Coliseum after being introduced to throngs of hungry, victory-starved Trojan fans, Riley proudly proclaimed, “This place is going to be full. This is going to be the mecca of college football.” There’s a hundred ways to go sideways on the way to… Read more »
Chesney may be good. But he’s getting low pay from UCLA. He won’t stick around for long making that dough. No matter how good he is he has to have talent to work with. As I said earlier, UCLA is spending $93,000 per ’26 recruit to USC’s $143,000. That’s a total NIL budget for the class of ’26 at $624K for UCLA and $5 million for USC. Chesney may be a Michelin chef but you can’t make chicken tortilla soup out chicken s***! I’m not worried about UCLA, yet.
I hate saying this, but it looks like ucla made a great hire. I can’t believe Chesney fell into their lap. There is no rerason he shouldn’t get the ruins to the 7-9 win threshold before too long., maybe even more.
If he does have a lot of success, we can always hope a bigger, better funded program steals him away. As much as I hate Oregon, I am hoping they boat race JMU, and prove they don’t belong in the playoffs.
Think Dick Vermeil! Had he stayed at UCLA for any longer than a cup of coffee as their head coach, who knows how he might have changed Bruin fortunes.
The ORE/JMU game is a farce. Hard to believe that playoff pairing this far along in college football. And OLE MISS has to play TUL again. They already beat them 45-10.
Some shameful matchups there. Weirdism prevails across so many fronts of CFB. Yet we all still love it. I figure I always will.
I’ll believe Chesney is a great coach when I see him beating the bigs. Winning at JMU doesn’t qualify him as the next Knute Rockney
SoCal is a really advantageous place to be. You are sitting right on top of a great recruit market. But do you have the money to lasso these great recruits and bring them in. I don’t think UCLA has that kind of money. Also, I wouldn’t compare Chesney with Cignetti. I’m not sure I would compare anyone with Cignetti. He’s a giant in the coaching ranks. UCLA is a basketball school not a football school. But even there they are only ranked #44 for 2024. In 2025 they went unranked in 215 teams.The name of the game in college football… Read more »
And the some for MBB.
Money … and the BEST HC coach money can buy for as long as you can keep him. CFB is a head coach’s game. Even with excellent GM’s and super infrastructure, the HC has to be a star who can also coach like a star, or the results will show it.
Just Google it!
ND’s whining and “taking our ball home” deal these past few days is embarrassing and it will subtly haunt them. The plain fact is ND played three teams that a top national team might lose to, and it lost to two of them. That’s it. Thankfully, the Committee did not countenance the fraud this year. ND has been recruiting very well for a while now, and has the meat up front on both sides of the ball to beat top teams. I personally believe they have been missing top tier coaching for many years now. People thought more of Brian… Read more »
44-yr old Philip Rivers has signed with the Colt’s practice squad. He’s been retired since Jan 20, 2021, after a 17-year NFL career.
Other QBs who have played at 44:
George Blanda
Warren Moon
Vinny Testaverde
Tom Brady
These two teams, CLEM and PSU, were both “bad boys” this season and sorely disappointed their fans with inferior teams. I mean, PSU even lost to UCLA. CLEM actually got handled by SYRA. 😂
Now, it seems only fitting that they will be playing each other in the Bad Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl, Dec. 27, 9:00 am PT (ABC). This could be a fantastic game! Can’t wait to see it.
Dabo Sweeney is a really good coach. But under this new NIL setup, I’m not sure anyone will win big at Clemson.They’re not willing to pay the money.
Notre Dame is depriving it’s players of getting to play one more game and this just makes them look like a whiny baby.
Utah governor blatantly taunts Notre Dame after bowl game refusal: ‘Absolutely the right move’ Max Rego (The Hill) — Utah Gov. Spencer Cox (R) poked fun at Notre Dame University for opting out of a bowl game Sunday. The Pop-Tarts Bowl, set for Dec. 27, reportedly invited the 10-2 Fighting Irish to face 11-2 BYU. Notre Dame, though, passed on the opportunity after it was not selected to compete in the College Football Playoff (CFP). “This is absolutely the right move,” Cox wrote on the social platform X. “Getting embarrassed in a bowl game against BYU would be really hard… Read more »
Got this from various sources. There’s at least $116 million in CFP prize payouts up for grabs for conferences, depending on how far their schools get. The payouts are as follows: Making the CFP: $4 million (12 teams) Advancing to the quarterfinals: $4 million (8 teams) Advancing to the semifinals: $6 million (4 teams) Advancing to the title game: $6 million (2 teams) The Big10 with 3 teams in the CFP will get at least $20 million ($24 if Oregon beats JM). Each school in the playoffs also gets $3 million in travel expenses. The Big10 also has 9 other… Read more »
Being a bit too obsessed with numbers I did the math. The Big10 could receive $54 million from CFP if 2 teams make the final and over $21 million from the other bowls for a grand total of >$75 million. Who knows what USC’s cut will be?
Chargers and Eagles headed to OT tied 19-19. Fun, hard-hitting game. Both teams 8-4, shooting for the playoffs.
One article on the internet ranked the richest college football programs. Oregon was #11. SC was only #18
https://www.themost10.com/top-20-richest-college-football-programs/
I was just happy we made the top 20. ORE is an amazing animal.
I think you could argue that Phil Knight has had more of an effect on college football, specifically if you are looking at just one program, than any other one guy outside of Knute Rockne.
I was always told that SC has a lot of money
Totally concur. Years ago, Knight turned the Oregon Athletic Department into a practical subsidiary of Nike. It was the first professional run collegiate football team in the nation. When the Supreme Court opened the doors of NIL, three programs aggressively stepped in – Texas A&M, Oregon, and Ohio State. SC finally made the shift to a professional management running the program, not the coach, and properly funding the NIL earlier this year. IMO, it will take SC at least two years to catch up. Texas Tech caught up in one year, but with a gigantic infusion of cash for NIL.… Read more »
Amazing the bellyaching going on with the domers. They’re pointing fingers at everyone they can except themselves of course. Now they are blaming the ACC for promoting Miami over them. They are insufferable and frankly it’s getting to where there is no benefit really to stay in a rivalry where they will want a win-win situation only for themselves. Jen needs to play hardball in these future games will be played in September or not at all. We don’t need ND anymore. We have OSU, Michigan, Indiana, Oregon & collectively Penn St. instead.
Notre Dame’s independence
Notre Dame AD Pete Bevacqua — “We love being independent in football. It’s part of our DNA,” Bevacqua said. “We have zero intention of changing that. It’s part of who Notre Dame is. Quite frankly, this (being left out of the playoffs) further cements our independence. We are out there fighting for ourselves. That’s something we accept.”
Glad they do, so they take themselves out of any thought of a conference champion, and will always have to rank very high to get a spot at the dance.
Check out ND’s 2026 schedule. The only two tough games they have are MIA and USC (if we end up agreeing to play). With that cupcake schedule, why ever join a conference? Just beat up on all the 10 teams you will play who will be auto-underdogs, and make the playoffs. Ooops! ND tried that and got shut out this year. There’s often a monkey in the wood pile. I think conference championships and bowl games are clearly on their way out. The semi-pro college game is all about the reg season and the playoffs, which will probably be expanded… Read more »
Well good, you can fight for yourselves from your living rooms then.
I’m beginning to change my opinion. ND is a really good team but they don’t play a really hard schedule and there is no conference that they have to win or conference championship game to play. They did lose to Miami so it’s hard to put them ahead of Miami. I’m not sure why Alabama should be kicked out because they lose a game that ND doesn’t have to play.
One can argue endlessly about the accomplishments and stumbles of each team. I guess that’s the only thing we can all be sure of here. ND didn’t have a bad loss. ALA had two, and even lost big to 5-7 FSU, 31-17. I could easily see ALA losing to both MIA or A&M. In fact, I think they would lose to both those teams because they have a poor running attack (ranking 117th nationally, averaging only 3.5 ypc) and I think QB Ty Simpson is over-rated. I don’t think there’s any way ND would have lost to FSU this year.… Read more »
I agree with all that you said. To me, it’s not a matter of ND vs Miami, but ND vs Bama, and I think ND deserved he nod over Bama if the criteria were simply the (untrained) eye test.
That being said, and despite the fact that I despise Bama, I despise ND more and am very happy they got what they got. Couldn’t happen to a better school.
You’ll like this vT:
“Notre Dame’s profoundly lame reactions to the CFP snub were a textbook study in how to obliterate all possible public sympathy to your plight in less than 24 hours.”
Will Leitch/The Athletic
Thanks
Words so very true.
Used to be a snubbed team would go to its bowl game and try to obliterate their opponent to try to prove the experts wrong. Not ND. They’re hoping their withholding from postseason play cuases enough financial loss to the “system” that it causes the system to think twice before doing this to them again.
Life and cfb go on, even without ND.
The NCAA seems to always favor the SEC
A deep dive into USC’s No. 1 recruiting class Tom Loy (USCFootball.com) — What does USC think of each signee? 247Sports caught up with sources within the building to get some thoughts on each and every new addition to the USC football team. 1) FIVE-STAR OL KEENYI PEPE, 6-7, 320 — This was a big get. We got him back in the spring. He’s a future first-round pick. He has all the talent in the world. He’s got the size, he can bend, and he’s mentally strong. He and Mark Bowman are the top two NFL prospects. He’ll compete and push the… Read more »
What does it say about USC that its two best defensive players, LB Eric Gentry and S Kamari Ramsey, both seemed to regress and had sub-par seasons, and I think will find their draft status lowered as a result. Too bad. And this mysteriously happened even though USC’s team improved overall and made significant strides towards becoming a better program in 2025. And these were two of USC’s stronger “culture guys” as I viewed them at least. I have not come across any info about whether either expect to play in the Alamo Bowl or not. Maybe they are more… Read more »
Ramsey was hurt all year. I think he missed at least 4 games. As to Gentry, the opposing OC figured out how to attack him. He simply is not big enough weight wise to take on particularly double team blocks. Notre Dame figured that out and just obliterated him in play after play. I doubt he goes very high in the draft. He had no interception this year and I do not recall him batting balls away with any regularity.
Agreed, Ramsey has an excuse. He was hurt and they still played him out of position, which did him no favors. He’s a trooper. I think Gentry’s problems ran deeper, and I’ve consistently been a huge fan if his since his first year at SC. He’s always been a target for offenses to bully because of his gangly, low weight frame. But he made up for it with his versatility, enthusiasm, reach, and playmaking ability. None-the-less, he kept sustaining various injuries throughout his career, and played this season as though he was concerned about his serious concussion issues. Who can… Read more »
The Athletic — ALA should not be in the playoffs! (I totally agree. What a royal screw-up at the brutal expense of ND) Bruce Feldman’s Champion: Ohio State My colleagues and I all agree: We don’t think Alabama should be in. The Tide sputtered down the stretch and definitely didn’t look like they were playing their best football in November. They also started the season with a dud, getting whupped by Florida State, a team that obviously didn’t turn out to be very good. I also think the CFP committee ended up screwing over Notre Dame. The Irish are one of the… Read more »
So neither wants Alabama in but both have them beating the Sooners. Why don’t they like them? Cause they lost by 2 to Oklahoma and lost big to Georgia in Georgia. And poor ND beat nobody and played mostly cupcakes. If the NFL went by what most people want for college, the winner of the AFC North and the NFC South divisions would not get in. The biggest wrong was to Duke. IMO you get through your conference and win the CG you should be in. Duke is better than JM. Who knows what Duke and Alabama will be like… Read more »
I think they all watched GA slap the crap out of ALA in the CCG game. The last thing the Tide looked like was a playoff team. They stunk, and then ended up with three losses, even getting beat by dumpster fire FSU, and it wasn’t close. Plus they lost to offense-challenged OU, in Tuscaloosa. Some say ALA shouldn’t be penalized for losing in a CCG game. Really? So the game only counts if you look good and win? That’s pretty funny, if one appreciates “blind” stupidity. Also I would never put a 5-loss DUKE team in. What a joke… Read more »
No matter how many teams are in any playoff people will debate the last ones in and first ones out. It’s fun. The intriguing thing for me will be which HC of the top 4 can get past their first game. If they all go down like last year they should scrap it the bye for the top 4. Then they will have to go to 16 teams. Then we can debate 13-16 that got in and who got 1st out. If that happened this year USC would get in and Arizona would be first out. Ha, would they be… Read more »
They put in the teams that fit the plan. JMU and Tulane won conf titles, according to the rules, they go. Change the rules obviously, but it never will matter, there will always be someone who got screwed. Whether it’s 4 or 24.
I disagree. How can you punish AL for losing in the SEC finals (unless a season ending career – like SC losing Caleb in the Utah game or the FSU QB going down when the team was undefeated)? I would treat them as a 10-2 team for comparison with ND and Miami. Same with Okla. I think on that test, both AL and Okla are stronger 10-2 teams than either ND or Miami. And that leaves ND and Miami head-to-head. Easy call as they played. If not, ND would have gotten in. I also think the ACC really lobbied hard… Read more »
BYU got punished and dropped. ALA didn’t. Even the selection committee applied different rules to different schools. Basically they made it up as they went along. The SEC’s massively more powerful than the Big 12.
The AP, the Coaches, and CBS Sports polls all dropped ALA to #11 behind #9 ND for their reg season ending polls. So there’s actually a ton of important sentiment and agreement for dropping CCG losers when they get battered and look really bad.
But the least the Committee could do is be consistent. Unfortunately, that was beyond them.
For those interested in going to the game here is the official USC with all of the information that you will need to know:
USC Alamo Bowl – Click Here
It truly is such a huge shame that the non-playoff bowls have been rendered meaningless, especially because so many of the best, most interesting players bail. This seems like an irreversible truism in today’s CFB world.
Basically you get a look at a team’s depth and underclassmen. Does the loss of headliners hurt the better teams more?
Do the opt-outs get to travel with the team? Do they still get merch?
Do you think either should still happen?
The short answer to your last question is no. The long answer is Hell, no. I consider opting out of a game a betrayal of your team and teammates. It’s a loud statement that your priorities are more important than the team. If I had the only vote, every opt out — whether a star player preparing for the draft or a scrub looking for a new home through the portal — would be required to stay home and would be forbidden to stand on the sideline even if he paid his own way to the game. As for the… Read more »
This is getting goofy…….When I watch a PO game I want to see a good match up. Even the bowls should be good match ups. I suspect you all agree.
Oregon vs James Madison….why even turn it on.
Notre Dame sitting out and being left out…. I understand the why’s…..is a crime
USC vs TCU……lots of folks missing……who will care.
and this is progress….??
This is crazy, but typical Notre Dame. Several years ago, somehow, Notre Dame “qualified” for the ACC Championship Game, even though they’re not really a football member and they only play 5 games a year against ACC teams. And now they alone get an automatic Playoff bid if they finish in the top 12, conference champions be damned. Kudos to Tulane and JMU for nice seasons, but they don’t belong in the Championship Flight. As Nick Saban said earlier today, we need a system that has the same set of criteria for everyone. Unless the G5 conference champs finish in… Read more »
except for the DDI’s and the GSE’s.
I like the preference for conference champions and the team that lost the CCG. A bit like the NFL taking the teams with best record over division champs. So now it looks like it’s Power 3 conferences, ND and ACC is in with the Group of 6/7.
There’s a lot of Irish and a lot of Catholics in this country and a great football tradition with many followers and they all love ND. When any team(for whatever reason) has that many followers, I assure you, it influences the committees that pick these teams.
But having said that(as much as I hate ND), I really do think ND got robbed.
The Committee should have just come out and said they re-thought the importance of head vs head results, which was very logical in view of the public’s reaction to MIA being left off even though they beat the Irish.
Their sorry explanation for the sudden switcheroo between the teams today just made everything look worse than it needed to be IMHO.
In one article I read, their rationale for having ND ahead of Miami for most of the rankings even though they lost head to head was where they started in the first poll. Not to resurrect a dead horse, but….
I’m being honest when I say I’m glad ND didn’t make it(because I hate ND) but I really think that they had a very high chance of winning the whole thing.
So did Texas.
Oh yeah, I attended many ND-USC games with ND lovers. There are usually as many ND fans as USC fans at LA Coliseum games. If the committee is influenced by the great number of ND fans, then what happened? We SC fans have got to “lovin it”.
Given that, SC has a ton of leverage. Without SC, they play only one top 25 team – Miami. IF that happens, they should never be ranked above 20. Basically, they play a one game schedule if we drop them. Maybe ND should pay SC for playing that last game, an amount equal to SC’s share of two CFP wins.
USC vs TCU
This will be the sixth all-time meeting between TCU and USC — the Horned Frogs hold a 3-2 advantage.
Last meeting — the 1998 Sun Bowl, won 28-19 by TCU.
TCU had LaDanian Tomlinson in that game. Hopefully they don’t have a running back like him this time.
Good point. That dude could run.
Here’s an interesting tidbit for you.
SR RB Basil Mitchell was the game’s MVP with 185 rushing yds vs USC.
Tomlinson, then a freshman, contributed 90 yds.
I remember listening to the game at work. It was a complete beatdown, game over halfway through the second quarter.
That was the first of Paul Hackett’s teams that peaked on Opening Day.
Paul Hackett! Now there’s a dumpster fire USC name from the past. Weird guy. Very bad HC. Okay OC. 32-38 at USC from ’98-00. Ugh.
Impossible. Not even Helton is bad enough to lose 38 games in 3 seasons. 32-38 has to include his record as head coach at Pitt.
Still, Hackett’s teams were 2-1 against UCLA.
Good point. Sorry about that, and thanks for the heads-up.
Hackett’s record at USC was really 19-18.
He was 13-20 at PITT. And Mike Garrett still hired him, probably because John Robinson practically gave him a nervous breakdown over the downward slide of Trojan football after such a successful first run.
I don’t even think he was a very good OC. Him and Charlie Weis were creations of the media. New England and the chiefs under Weis and Hackett(as OC’s) were not great offenses…..just look at the numbers.Hackett had one year with the chiefs where they finished 5th offensively in the NFL. That was it. Wies’s best year was 7th and he had Tom Brady. Like Belechick, He was a creation of Brady.
USC MADE Charlie Weis, a balloon on the sidelines if there ever was one. By losing so spectacularly to USC in the Bush Push extravaganza, Weis was able to renegotiate his ND contract and it cost them a fortune to fire him in 2009. Weis’ buy out was $19 mil, not chump change back then.
Notre Dame extended Weis’s contract after 6 games, which included 2 losses. Nobody ever leveraged a 4-2 career record better than Charlie.
I thought Hackett was a very good OC in his early years at SC. The improvement of Vince Evans from 1975 to 1976 (Hackett’s first year) was dramatic. True, he had overwhelming talent at his disposal but I thought the offenses in the late 70s were much better than those in the years immediately before Hackett.
The media guide has him listed as the QB coach and ,I agree, he was a good QB coach but was he actually calling plays?
Hackett literally loved antique juke boxes and he searched for them far and wide in L.A. as collectibles.
As a big 50’s and 60’s rock and roll fan, Hackett even went so far as to publicly compare music to football. “Music is about movement,” he said. “Music is about rhythm… Football is about movement. There’s a sense of how these two fit together.”
Maybe that was in one of his pregame speeches. You can guess what happened.
Don’t know if he was calling plays, probably not, but he did a nice job with the QBs — first Vince Evans, then Rob Hertel and Paul McDonald. I think he even stuck around for Gordon Adams.
Darn it, I was planning to go if it was against BYU.
Ya, I’m bummed BYU isn’t our opponent. That would have been much better for USC IMO, even though BYU is a much more dangerous team.
We owed them for beating us in the Coliseum in 2021 too.
No. 16 USC will face surprise opponent TCU in Alamo Bowl USC will push to close with a 10-win season when the Trojans face off with the TCU Horned Frogs in the Alamo Bowl. Ryan Kartje (LA Times) — Their opponent comes as somewhat of a surprise considering the Horned Frogs finished 8-4 during the regular season, in a tie for fifth in the Big 12. The Alamo Bowl gets first selection of Big 12 teams and could have chosen Brigham Young, which lost in the Big 12 title game and, like USC, finished within one loss of the… Read more »
Nonplayoff bowls, the game itself has become irrelevant. NFL bound guys opt out. Portal guys are gone. What do you have left? Guys like Jordan may be looking to show he has recovered from injury. Second stringers looking to impress the staff. Who’s motivated to play hard and who came to party? You get extra practice time, extra game time for some. Hopefully the pay day covers your expenses.
The players will have fun together in a cool town like San Antonio.
That’s true. While the bowls outside of the playoffs have been incredibly devalued, it’s still a gas for the players who decide to play to get some good recog and merch, as well as a last shot at playing before the long wait until the 2026 season.
Oh, what a tangled web we weave …
ORE is playing JMU in Eugene in Round 1 on Dec. 20.
ND has refused to play in a bowl game.
ILL is playing against TENN in the Liberty Mutual Music City Bowl in Nashville at Nissan Stadium on Dec 30 at 2:30 p.m. PT on ESPN.
Oregon is laughing their butts off……James Madison……seriously……in the PO’;s……and ND is going to some bowl somewhere.
ND has opted out of playing in a bowl this season. Petty, but understandable, at least to some.
With so many players sitting out bowl games, how much does it matter?
Notre Dame has declined to play in a bowl game after being snubbed by the CFB Playoff Committee.
Poor babies! You get passed over for the CFP and deprive your players of being in a bowl game.
They need to get over it.
Spoiled child behavior. Can’t have their way, so they go home and refuse to play. Too good to play in a lesser bowl, I guess. Good, let them sit at home in obscurity the rest of the year and miss out on a series of practices.
I, for one, won’t mind not hearing their name called once after today. Their “better than everyone else” attitude” has worn me out. I say to them, step into the realities of 2026, or see ya, USC doesn’t need ya, good luck on your own.
I truly wonder what ND would do if USC/ND ended. Would they try to replace USC with another huge brand they could play every year? Would they try to schedule different big-time teams for much shorter runs? Would they really experience trouble loading up their schedule despite big pay days for opponents because of the new playoff era we are in? Will this eventually partially lead to ND thinking about joining a conference? I don’t think ND EVER wants to do that. That’s nothing new of course. But in today’s game, can they continue to insist on it? Today was… Read more »
My guess is that if SC-ND ended, ND would make two changes to their schedule. One, they’d find someone in a warm-weather state to play on a home-and-home basis, with the understanding that the opponent’s home game would be on Thanksgiving weekend. Two, they’d expand their “Shamrock Series” and pick different teams each year to play at a neutral site fairly close to the opponent’s home. These would not be elite opponents, because elite programs would insist on real home games. “Shamrock Series” means that even though ND is ostensibly the road team, ND controls the TV rights and NBC… Read more »
Who is the AD and President in South Bend? You give away a pay day, extra practice and game time for underclassmen, some fun for the team. Very smart ND.
The Irish don’t need the payday–they have NBC money they don’t have to share it with anyone.
They have an argument in regards to being passed over by the committee. Tulane and JMU–really?
Nevertheless, the playoff will change before next season….
Indeed, I see ND’s point here. Sure, they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face by refusing to play in a bowl. I’d say they’re pretty pissed, like most schools would be in their spot.
But I would personally put them in ahead of ALA, TUL and JMU. That’s based on what their team looked like to me when I saw them on TV, as well as versus USC when they beat us by 10 even though they didn’t play very well and their QB almost threw the game away for them.
And ND is the hot team now–certainly not ‘Bama.
They have NO argument about Tulane and JMU. There are two ways into the playoffs. Conference champs (highest rated 5, regardless of conference) and 7 at-large teams. Tulane and JMU are in one pool, Notre Dame in the other.
Tulane and JMU are conference champs, rated higher than the ACC champ, Duke. So they took two spots that were never available to Notre Dame, which refuses to join a conference. So they didn’t get “passed over” for Tulane and JMU. They only got passed over for an at-large bid in favor of MIami, which beat them.
Even with the benefit of AI, could you come up with a less sympathetic “victim” than the Notre Dame football team? What have they ever sacrificed to help anyone else?
I truly hope the A.D. keeps running his mouth about how the ACC broke their relationship. Has he forgotten about when the ACC let them be a full football member for one year, during Covid when no one else would play them, and the Irish made it to the ACC title game and, even though they lost that one, the Playoffs?
USC is playing 8-4 TCU in the Alamo Bowl on Dec. 30
After narrowly missing the playoffs, expected Alamo Bowl opponent BYU is instead playing in the Pop-Tarts Bowl in Orlando on Dec 27, against GT..
Riley is thrilled……easy win.
Illinois. I am going to the game. It probably will not be an easy win as I expect a lot of our starters and subs may well sit it out. For example, what if Lemon and Lane decide to go pro and pass. How about if Maiava decides to go pro? And Lucas (DL)? Etc., Etc.
Good points.
Not with our best offensive weapons sitting out and our O-line getting thin in numbers…. Coach Dykes will have his team ready to try to knock us off.
Mormons don’t drink margaritas but they do eat Pop-Tarts with their families of 14.
No offense, Utah Trojan. I met many huge nice Mormon families on a family vacation at Aspen Grove in Utah when i was in my teens. The images stuck with me.
I had to admit, but Plaschke is right. It’s important to keep this great rivalry going, but the current scheduling favors the Irish. The mid October game in the middle of conference play is obviously advantageous for Notre Dame. And when we get them at home, it is the week after ucla. I know the bruins suck now, but they will eventually be good again.Do you think Texas would agree to playing A&M the week after Oklahoma? This game should be played every year on labor day weekend, at the Coliseum and at South Bend. It would that weekends marquee… Read more »
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Playing in Dublin week 0 every once in awhile would be pretty fun as well.
ALA and OU get their rematch on a Friday night. OU won the first battle in Tuscaloosa 23-21 on Nov. 15.
Rece Davis makes the statement of the day IMO.
“The product is so good, that you can’t screw it up.”
First game of October. Still early enough to not crush either team’s season, but both teams have a better chance to be at their peak. USC-ND should continue to be a premier game on the national football schedule.
If Lincoln continues to want to drop the game—go back to the Big 12.
Why keep the situation the way it is, when it works to Notre Dames benefit? Play this game week 1
You are right on the money. If AL had been destroyed by a non-conference foe like it was Week 0, there is no chance it would in the CFP. Jen Cohen clearly understands this. If ND wants to continue the rivalry, it must need to agree to an early game. I think it will for the money, but it must now also formally join the ACC in football. No choice IMO. Do you think any marquee team will schedule them in October or November?
Maybe October 1st is too late, but I don’t want ND to be our first game every year. How about September 15th or 20th?
I think Labor day weekend would be ideal, but a September date before conference play works for me
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IllinoisUSC lost 82,000 points in John’s pool in less than 4 hours going from 1st to broke.
So much for my betting skills.
I was going to donate winnings to a cat sanctuary….today my cats (a tuxedo and a gray short hair) have been giving me dirty looks.
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Irish need to join a conference, ACC. Miami, 3rd place in the ACC, get in but CCs Duke and Virginia who played a CCG don’t, that’s wrong. Tulane AND James Madison? No.
What happened to the Power 4 Conference Champs get a spot? I think being conference champion counts for a lot no matter how you got there. Agree Allen both Tulane and JMU is wrong. Oregon and Ole Miss get a tune up before the quarterfinal game against sluggish top seeds. I guess Tulane beating Duke and JMU beating Louisville counts more than Duke winning the conference. Not to me for what that’s worth.
I think it can be argued that these selection results actually help USC in its scheduling problem with ND. The message to me was that ND, despite its win over USC, didn’t have a tough enough schedule to keep it included. So shedding USC makes even less sense than ever before.
As Plaschke’s column concludes, ND needs USC. Very badly it turns out.
It’s great to see IU headed to the Rose Bowl, the first time they’ve been there since they lost to O.J. and USC, 14-3 in 1968. USC was obviously playing great D back then. Time to get back to that.
ND now has a huge problem. If their brand power alone was enough to get in the CFP, they would have gotten in this year. Instead, they are now delegated to play in a second or third tier bowl, if they choose to go to that level bowl at all. SC would be crazy to back off its demands. I agree with PN4SC, the game should be Week 0 (like we played LSU) or we simply do not play it. ND is now in a horrific position. For example, IF SC did not play ND this year, we would be… Read more »
I don’t buy the so-called “food poisoning” excuse at all. Lame excuse, which fortunately never gained any traction with anyone except some Trojan fans. We were missing one starting safety. IU beat OHIO ST yesterday with injuries to some of their very best players.
Did USC have food poisoning in the first half of the UCLA game? Obviously, USC never needed food poisoning to play badly this year when it happened.
You could be right. Riley never used it. That does not change my point. SC at 10-2 is in a much stronger position than SC at 9-3 having been destroyed by ND in mid October. AL got destroyed by FL State in late August and is in. That is my point.
My only point is that the so-called “food poisoning excuse” which you brought up for the ILL loss is bull and groundless.
ILL simply pounded the crap out of us, especially when it mattered, just like ND and ORE.
I think when we have Pop Warner start times on the road (Central Time 11 am and eastern time 12 noon) we should acclimate to the time by scheduling 6 am practices all week to get ready for an early morning start. Be serious, Riley, about confronting the time zone issues that are real since we joined the B1G.
Even though only one guy was unable to play, we found it really strange guys were puking on the sidelines into bags. My wife caught it and showed me. We were there. Still, they could have and should have won that game, if only there was a defense. I sure wish they could figure out the first half flops, not as bad as the end of game flops, but still, lets get consistent.
What the Illinois game showed was a lack of depth. Some guys get sick and the team can’t overcome. Adding 35 guys should help. The slow starts is the next puzzle for LR. I don’t know, could be poor game plan, lack of preparation, or unable to get the team fired up to start? If he fixes that and gets a real special teams coach he may finally become the guy we thought he was.
Which USC players actually got sick? Who were these guys, outside of Kamari Ramsey?
Lots of unresearched misinformation about this and I think USC’s players were more sick from getting pounded on the field from what I saw.
Of course, those of you who want to blame USC’s ILL loss on food poisoning are free to do so. It makes for an interesting Trojan dispute and conversation.
I see not one of us has changed their minds on the issue since that beat down in Champaign. Undoubtedly never will either! 😂 ✌
Riley is quoted by SI that few players and staff were sick. Maybe a healthy Ramsey makes a play on that last Illinois drive who knows. Good teams with depth overcome those things. Movin’ on.
Ramsey’s play seemed to drop off this season for some reason. I noticed it a few times on occasion, which surprised me.
I think he was forced to play out of position. He didn’t even make 1st or 2nd team all Big Ten. Only HM.
Lose the “ifs”: if is the middle word in the English language…everything springs from “if”. 🙂 Also regarding ND joining the ACC: yes, they should, but maybe ND would have to replace USC with the Cal Bears?😆or maybe ND would play Miami, Louisville and Clemson in the same season? 😎 possibly 3 loses?🙄Jen Cohen my A$$…ND has been playing playing Purdue, Pitt, USC, NW for more than 75 years.😩
Looks like ND’s win over SC wasn’t enough. Can’t believe that the committee didn’t bring the Ratings magnet of NotreDame into the twelve team tournament.
i wonder how well Tulane and JMU will do in first round games.
IMHO, I think the Irish are better in 2025 than they were last season.
JMU and TUL clearly don’t belong IMO but got in based on the selection requirements. TEXAS and VANDY would very likely beat those guys. Even USC might/should beat those two, which the final rankings themselves actually validate. I thought ALA was ranked too high based on the fact they got the living crap kicked out of then yesterday. Conference championship games will be history. The bottom line, this selection process is still a mess. There’s a hundred different ways to look at all this. But ND pretty much got the shaft as first team out. Here’s the rest of the… Read more »
The Playoff selection is like AFFIRMATIVE ACTION= all inclusive, so the Sun Belt conference is included, That means lowly James Madison is included. JM did beat Washington State [ member of Pac12 which has only 2 teams] but lost to Louisville. JM plays Oregon in first round; The Ducks can use their second stringers and save the first stringers for the next round. The Playoffs…it’s a SHAME.
JMU vs ORE in Eugene should be brutal. A waste of time, I’m thinking.
New Bruin coach Bob Chesney will still be coaching the Dukes now instead of guiding UCLA through this fantastic mess they find themselves in.
If it hurts ucla—that’s good.
“Bruin Football—it’s just not that Important”
Tulane and Ole Miss should be a waste as well. Except how Ole Miss does without Kiffy. Ole Miss throttled Tulane 45-10 in Sept. Oregon is in the sweet spot at #5, easy tune up then TT in Miami, then on to the semis.
Playoffs are a SHAME and a SHAM: Keep it SIMPLE; the top 12 teams per the CFP committee at the end of the season should make the playoffs. As a USC fan of coarse, I rejoice at the ND misfortune. WE don’t need a conference championship game either. Indiana and Ohio State would be co-champions. ND needs to get off their “high horse” and join ACC fully for all of their sports.
JM loses to Louisville and gets in. Miami Loses to Louisville and gets in. Huh?
GT, see my post above. I think the CFP contract required this result.
I think the contract that lead to the CFP being formed required this outcome. When Duke beat VA, I think that triggered a clause that required a higher ranked league champ in a non-Power 5 conference be given that spot (hence Tulane). And, that contract also required that the highest ranked non-Power 5 team be given a spot (hence JMU). That left the final spot down to Miami, ND, Texas and Vandy. ND lost to Miami, and is not in a conference. If Miami were excluded, the ACC would have been shut out of the tournament. As the SEC already… Read more »
Thanks for info RJJ
5 SEC teams and Miami? Did Paul Dee rise from the dead?
Please, NOOOOOOO!!!
Aside from the fact that the SEC has 5 teams in the tourney, I would have liked to have seen Vandy in there. If they had only beaten Bama…