USC’s Unrelenting Portal Business Worries Trojan Fans

USC coach Lincoln Riley suggests there is no reason to panic as Trojans go Portal shopping as usual hoping to fill big holes on 6-6 Las Vegas Bowl team…

Ryan Kartje (LA Times)  —  The transfer portal was open less than 24 hours when Lincoln Riley appeared on USC’s “Trojans Live” radio show Monday night. Already by that point, 11 players had announced their plans to hit the portal, among them the Trojans’ right tackle, Mason Murphy, and running back of the future, Quinten Joyner — two departures that stir red a frustrated fan base into a portal-induced panic.

So when Riley was asked about his approach to the transfer market, he had a point to make. College football, the coach opined, was now basically “a professional model.” That meant “making some tough decisions” about “where to allocate reps or where to allocate resources, roster spots, all of those things.”

“The reality is there’s just some guys that you just can’t or are not going to pay what they want,” Riley said. “If your value doesn’t match the money, then it’s not going to go well much longer, it’s not going to go further. There’s a cutthroat part of that that is just part of being a professional organization, and again, that’s what we’re becoming.”

In other words, the players weren’t the only ones at USC making shrewd business decisions.

USC coach Lincoln Riley walks behind his starters during a timeout against Notre Dame at the Coliseum on Nov. 30.

“You’re getting ready to reduce roster size, you’re getting ready to have a salary cap essentially,” Riley said. “You’re going to see sometimes people that feel like, ‘I got a better opportunity to go play at this place or that place,’ and sometimes — more often than what people realize now — it’s the school telling the kid, ‘Hey we’re sorry. This just is what it is right now.’”

As its roster stands, USC probably could have used a potential star running back and an offensive tackle with years of starting experience. With Murphy and Joyner departing, both the backfield and the offensive line represented glaring holes that Riley probably would have to plug through the portal.

And the exodus continued Tuesday afternoon as one of the Trojans’ top young receivers, Duce Robinson, also entered the portal.

Riley hasn’t had any issue finding replacements at running back in the past. In each of his three seasons at USC, the coach successfully recruited a new transfer to lead the backfield, hitting on Travis Dye, MarShawn Lloyd and Woody Marks in consecutive seasons.

Joyner was supposed to be the first of Riley’s homegrown backs at USC to stop that cycle, taking the reins of the Trojans’ run game after developing behind both Lloyd and Marks. He averaged 7.6 yards per carry this season, flashing glimpses of explosive star potential when given the opportunity.

But running behind Marks — an Associated Press All-Big Ten second-team selection — Joyner never quite carved out a consistent role. He received more than six carries in a game just three times in two seasons. It wasn’t until Marks left because of an injury in the first quarter of USC’s season finale against Notre Dame that Joyner was asked to power the offense during a critical stretch. He responded by rushing for 83 yards on a career-high 10 carries.

A little more than a week later, Joyner was gone, and USC was again sifting through the portal for a replacement. With Marks off to the NFL, 230-pound freshman Bryan Jackson will get a chance to prove himself as the lead back through bowl season. But with few options behind him, expect Riley to go back to the transfer well.

Along the offensive line, Riley said on many occasions that he hoped to move away from the portal-reliant approach USC used the previous two offseasons. Just two weeks ago the coach expressed confidence in how his young linemen were progressing.

“We’ve got a lot of good-looking young linemen that are talented and going to be good players,” Riley said. “It’s been a while, probably well before I was here, since that was the case.”

But desperate times may call for further portal pursuits up front. The Trojans’ two most consistent linemen this season, center Jonah Monheim and guard Emmanuel Pregnon (also an AP All-Big Ten pick), soon will declare for the NFL draft. USC’s only reserve linemen with extended experience, guards Gino Quinones and Amos Talalele, entered the transfer portal. And with Murphy joining them, that leaves three starter spots to fill and nary a lineman with more than 100 snaps of experience to fill them.

As bleak as those circumstances may seem, USC actually has more pressing portal needs elsewhere. The Trojans are trending toward losing their entire starting secondary, assuming safety Kamari Ramsey declares for the draft as planned. They could stand to add a few veterans to their defensive front too, with depth depleted both on the line and at linebacker.

Within the Portal’s first day, offers to talented defenders were rolled out in full force. Among those on USC’s immediate radar: former five-star Kentucky defensive tackle Keeshawn Silver (pictured), Elon edge rusher Cazeem Moore, Marshall linebacker Jaden Yates, Western Kentucky defensive lineman Hosea Wheeler, San José State cornerback DJ Harvey, Washington State cornerback Ethan O’Connor and Michigan safety Brandyn Hillman.

Duke's Maalik Murphy is among the top quarterbacks available in the transfer portal.

And then there’s quarterback. Riley offered a vote of confidence in his current room but made it clear he plans to pursue a passer in the portal to bolster depth behind Jayden Maiava and five-star freshman Husan Longstreet.

Utah transfer Sam Huard is an obvious dot to connect, given his family ties to USC quarterbacks coach Luke Huard. Riley also once offered a scholarship to Duke dual-threat Maalik Murphy, an Inglewood native who’s expected to be one of the more coveted quarterbacks available.

Other dominoes are still to fall. At receiver, the Trojans already lost two of their top targets, Robinson and senior Kyron Hudson, while speculation ramps up over several others.

USC, it seems, will again be busy in the portal. That’s not the route Riley hoped to be taking ahead of his fourth season at USC. But considering where his roster stands, he doesn’t really have a choice.

“I’ve said many times, I want us to be a developmental program,” Riley said. “I really want to rely on high school recruiting as much as we can. But you do have to adapt. You do have to adapt to the market. I mean, it’s changed so much. Even the fact that we even call it a market now. But it is, it is.”

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Tirebitter
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December 12, 2024 12:30 pm

A very real question for the Blog: should SC, given it’s present state, play ATM in a Bowl? Can SC even field a team from the year’s first and second string player?
Obviously the result could be a real disaster. As in humiliating. ATM will pile on!
What will suffering a major setback in a Bowl do for recruiting?
Is it even possible for SC to decline tol play in the post season?
What say you folks?

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December 12, 2024 12:57 pm
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Yes, for sure there is damage on rejecting the Bowl. And there is damage in playing and being humiliated. I’m not sure which is worse.
And yes, Bowls have been great to have more training and practice for the team. However, would that be true for SC with 14 players in the portal, the graduating guys probably opting out for the NFL combine, and none of the replacements from the portal on board yet?
I think today’s circumstancesd are different!

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December 12, 2024 1:24 pm
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I agree that, at this point, you can’t, politically, turn down the game.

I just shudder to think about the debacle, however, it looks like ATM is also crippled, so let’s play!

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December 12, 2024 1:57 pm
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I am in favor of playing. We just need to go back one year and remember what the players did in the Holiday Bowl under similar circumstances when Caleb Williams refused (or opted not to) to play in the bowl game along with another 14 players.

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December 12, 2024 1:05 pm
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According to the nytimes.com, Texas A&M has lost 18 players to the portal so you could ask the same questions of them. I agree with Allen that the bowl game presents an opportunity for younger players to audition for playing time in 2025. I think the team that is most motivated to play will probably win the game. ✌️

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December 12, 2024 1:39 pm
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Are you talking about TAM? (Texas A&M) They are losing as many as USC if not more. I think the bowl means very little to recruiting.
Play it, anybody, any place, any time. USC football.

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December 12, 2024 3:24 pm
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It’s ATM the way they pay for players. The Bowl could further damage SC for recruiting from the portal.
And yes, I yearn for the days of “anyone, anywhere, anyplace.” The sanctions, then Hellon and now LR have seriously damaged, if not destroyed that.
The King is dead, long live the King!

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December 12, 2024 2:37 pm
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Play…… bowl results should not be taken that seriously…..too many players are out on both sides. We would be a laughing stock for running away.
However…….hopefully the Brat will run the ball quite a bit to use up the clock. Keep the score reasonable either way.
He better not pull one of his brain farts and screw up the game….it’s a low level bowl but people will be watching nationally so he’ll get lots of dads across the country saying…..who is that dummy, you’re not playing for him….

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December 12, 2024 3:56 pm
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The only reason to not play is if you can’t sell your ticket allotment and would take a big loss. Lesser programs with smaller budgets can take a big hit. USC can handle it. The extra practice and playing time for 2nd and 3rd stringers is valuable. It could help portal by showing holes USC needs to fill and portal guys will see opportunity to start. The game doesn’t start till 10:30 ET so the TV audience will be small. Nobody will care in 3 months.

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December 12, 2024 12:48 pm
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It would take a lot for them to fire him after next season. Even if he went 6-6 or 6-7(including the bowl game loss), I don’t think they would fire him. They would still owe him around $80 million. I don’t think that they will pay it. Look how long they held onto Clay Helton before they moved on and they didn’t owe him nearly the kind of money they owe LR.

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December 12, 2024 2:29 pm
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Will Folt’s replacement be a Nikias or a Sample when it comes to supporting USC football? Will it be a current Big Ten president, ACC President or ? If what we have recently read is accurate, the present BOT could go a number of ways if a Caruso type isn’t there to protect tradition? Whoever it is will have a big say if USC will stay a big player in football with money & direction. So much transition ahead!

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December 12, 2024 3:35 pm
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Interesting view! The current Board are all in on academics and would like SC to return to the trajectory (academic rating) they were on prior to teh scandals. I think they would closely examine what role D1 athletics play in the overall objectives for the University, given all the changes to what was at least a somewhat student/athlete activity. Now it’s professional football.

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December 12, 2024 3:57 pm
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Yes, The US News & World report’s University ratings have shown USC ranking has dropped. Don’t believe I have ever seen it that low at # 27.

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December 12, 2024 4:41 pm
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They have already redone the coliseum and now they are building other things to bolster the football program. They are too far into it to just give up on the football program. Unless LR surprises us and becomes this reborn football coach with new unique ideas that work big time, there will have to be a change but it will be at least 3-4 years before that happens. I would think that they will be very careful and hire the right guy next time.

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December 13, 2024 2:37 am
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I don’t know how much further Trojan ball could drop. The AP poll lists 36 teams that received votes…..SC wasn’t one of them.

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December 13, 2024 7:33 am
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I’m guessing that all those athletic improvements were funded by alumni and not the University?

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December 13, 2024 7:31 am
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I wonder whether or not the fact that SC, under LR, was recently sanctioned/penalized by the NCAA would be cause for dismissal? Or are thgeir no contract provisions stipulating the conduct of LR?
Just askin’ for a friend….

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December 12, 2024 4:49 pm
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Some of these people who have big jobs making big money at these educational institutions don’t seem to know what they are doing. Belichick would have been an average, AT BEST, coach in the pros without Tom Brady. This guy can’t relate to anyone. He’s a loner. Kids 18-22 are not going to see him as some kind of a father figure mentor. He’s not a people person.This is a waste of money on the part of UNC

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That makes sense. I didn’t know that about his contract.If you look at his record apart from Tom Brady, it’s 70-93. That’s not a great record. I wouldn’t hire him if I was AD at NC

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December 12, 2024 11:44 am

A lot of SC players are jumping into the portal but they can still rebuild if they are aggressive and bring outstanding players in through the portal.SC has lost 14 people so far.Last year Colorado lost 41 people through the portal.They ended up 9-3 this year. Alabama and Indiana lost 39 players.Alabama went 9-3 and Indiana went 11-1 this year

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Not a great comparison as Sanders wanted to clean house and totally rebuild the program through the portal, which he accomplished.

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December 12, 2024 2:36 am

SC can never seems to get all the aspects of their football program together.For a number of years at Oklahoma and USC, LR had a great offense but no defense. This year they went a long way towards fixing the defense but then their offense(which is always good) was not operating on all cylinders. They had a lot of skill players on offense and defense but were short on the big uglies up front. Now they are bringing a lot of really good players up front and the skill players are all leaving in the transport portal. That was one… Read more »

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December 12, 2024 3:38 pm
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Quite a different attitude than we go from Caleb!!!!

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December 12, 2024 4:06 pm
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Caleb had to save his body to better prepared himself for the beating he would receive with the Bears. He needed a head start healing. 😜

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December 12, 2024 7:12 pm
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I’ll be watching! Hope it’s a shootout and both QBs are lights out statistically.

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December 11, 2024 7:53 pm
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Not a bad schedule …the west teams opposition to this year’s poor travel and times is evident, looks better for all. After last year, not sure SC can do better than 7-5 under The Brat. I’ll go with 8-4 and hope for a 9-3. Looks good until at Illinois which I see as the 1st loss. Illni bring back every starter and a good qb . Which could bring the end of LR at USC. Real possibility he could lose 4 straight. Michigan, at ND, at Nebby, they will not be good but weather could be a factor on Nov… Read more »

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December 12, 2024 6:30 am
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Mich State has the former Oregon State HC running the program. I think they will be improved next season. OSU was always a thorn in USC’s side for the last several years….

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December 11, 2024 7:39 pm
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It was be fun watching this creep get beat by Syracuse

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December 12, 2024 6:34 am
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I’ll take A & M.

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December 11, 2024 10:55 am

No idea how to address the overall issue but I was talking to a guy that was the middle linebacker for the Indy Colts a couple decades ago last week at the local YMCA. He had some interesting ideas. He stated that they need pools. He thinks most all the cash goes to a few while most just get an education. Which he viewed as wrong. Especially for injury. Most players come from poor backgrounds and are hard working kids that could use a start to life. Some struggle even in school to enjoy a reasonable life. Given all the… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 11:28 am
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Well starting next year all college athletes will get some money direct from the school. Who gets what and how much is still to be determined. So things are moving in that direction. Interesting idea, if an athlete gets injured and can’t play, will the school still pay them? USC used to give 4 year scholarships even if they couldn’t play due to injury. It would be nice if they also got the stipend.

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December 11, 2024 11:41 am
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When they become directly paid by the u niversities, they become employees of that university. After that happens, we will see these “employees” form unions. And dictate to the universities, or strike if they don’t get what they want.
Bottom line is that all these changes, from NIL to Free Agency to paid employees will mkill college football, period!

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December 11, 2024 12:36 pm
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It may require some legislation. Could it be considered like work-study financial aide?

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December 11, 2024 1:09 pm
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Sure, but the “study” side has issues as these guys are not students of anything but football.

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December 11, 2024 1:40 pm
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Miller Moss and his professors might differ with you.

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December 11, 2024 2:22 pm
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Well, that’s one. Do you have another?

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December 11, 2024 3:12 pm
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Wow, guess you got me, he’s the only college football and basketball player that ever earned a legitimate degree, in the last 5 years.

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December 11, 2024 5:21 pm
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Well, I don’t know that I “got you,” but for the guys starting (not the third string) most left early and you don’t hear about any of the others getting a meaningful degree.

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Tirebitter here is a report from NCAA on graduation rates of athletes. We all know some schools do way better than others Clemson (good) comes to mind vs Georgia (lousy) Posted: 11/20/2024 1:03:00 PM Division I student-athletes are graduating at record rates, according to the latest Graduation Success Rate data announced Wednesday. The overall single-cohort rate held steady at 91%, which is the highest rate recorded.   Figures released Wednesday reflect graduation numbers among student-athletes who entered college in 2017. Since the implementation of Division I academic reforms initiated over two decades ago — including modifications of initial-eligibility requirements and progress-toward-degree standards, as… Read more »

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December 12, 2024 2:21 am
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Just because you graduate doesn’t mean you went to class and did the work and passed the exams. I had a friend many years ago who graduated from the University of Georgia and then moved to California. I got to know him in college. He used to tell me that U of G is no more riggerous academically than any high school.

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Locally, it is hard to get in to UGA, because of the Hope Scholarship program in the State of Georgia (3.0 in HS, then maintain a 3.0 in every year at college gets you a full tuition scholarship–our state lottery funds this largesse). But once your there, it ain’t so tough, unless you are prepping to be a professional (Health Care, Law, Accounting/Finance, etc.). But all the yahoos in the state want to go the Athens to join Dawg Nation, the exception being the smart kids who want to got to GT.

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For what it is worth, my belief is that unless you choose a course of study that requires some form of Calculus as a requirement, most college majors are a waste of time.

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First, your report covers all athletes. All of my points were solely directed toward football players. At D1 schools. Secondly, that report covers players that entered in 2017. Very different today with the advent of NIL and Free Agency. An education is simply not a priority for the majority of D1 players. What percentage even last four years in college? And for a last point, how many of the football players took gut majors, like Sociology, that serve no useful purpose as a basis for a career? How many graduates were STEM majors? Today, none! How many D1 football players… Read more »

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Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful. I tried to find stats just for football but came up empty

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There are 133 FBS football programs that currently can offer 85 scholarships. That in potentially 11,305 players on scholarship plus walk-ons. There are 32 5* players for 2025, that’s .3% of all players. There are 427 4* players, just under 4%. 259 college players get drafted into the NFL. So these 4 and 5* athletes have a 56% chance of getting a pro career. So, over 95% of FBS college football players are at a college to get an education and hope football helps pay for it. The 4.3% that have a 56% chance to get to the next level… Read more »

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Even for a 3 star that needs development, and was just a late bloomer, but could potentially make it, development, exposure and a capable coach is important.

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95% of the college players are not “in school to get an education.” Most don’t even qualify to meet the entrance requirements of a university. They need tutors to stay eligable. They stay 4 years to get a degree?
No, today’s players are not in school to get an education…

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December 11, 2024 9:56 am

Here I am proving the definition of insanity checking the blogs and newspapers for some good news about USC football. We have a bowl game (if you wanna call it that) in just over two weeks and might not have players enough to participate. The absurdity of the situation is beyond insanity. Players want to be compensated like professionals in what used to be an apprenticeship. To make up for the cash outflow, or fill their greedy pockets hosting venues are asking Super Bowl prices for tickets and games which consist of four- fifteen minute quarters but take 3 hours… Read more »

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The schools are on the hook for the bulk of the “Super Bowl” priced tickets. If the school doesn’t sell them they eat the cost. Most of the schools in these early bowls will lose money by going. The useless bowls will go away when people stop going, people stop watching and schools refuse the deal to play in them. There are 133 FBS teams, less than 10% are in the playoffs. 72 teams will play meaningless exhibition games, some at a financial loss. 121 teams are looking to upgrade their talent to make the top 12 and players are… Read more »

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And there you have it all. folks. LR issues aside, the new normal for college football is professional football. NIL and Free Agency have changed (destroyed in MHO) college football forever. As we see today, there is no connection between the University and the football program. Gys like Duce and Joyner joined as freshman, played, now leaving for mo’ money. The University means nothing, the education means nothing, the connection between players and students is non existent – so why do serious academic institutions continue with these D1 football and basketball programs? The evolution will be towards more and more… Read more »

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Tirebitter, I hate to admit it loving the game as I do. But you make a lot of sense and admittedly your thoughts here have been in the back of our minds ever since this cancer started hoping it wouldn’t develop as it has. Our only hope is the NCAA, our Institutions and Congress have to come together and get control of this runaway freight train to where we don’t lose this sport as it has basketball.

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Allen why should academic institutions continue to accept the consequences noted in hiring players to come and are anything but there to be students? Play one year and move on to a better deal elsewhere? I have yet to read or hear a NIL or Portal contract offer where the athlete has to attend classes, make a passing grade or loses a major portion of his pay? If he flunks out his contract is void? There has to be some level of control arranged that limits what an agent, parent & student will attempt to over ride and push this… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 10:44 am
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I just want to see Oregon and Texas lose.

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December 11, 2024 10:52 am
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Are you going to watch the SMU and BSU games?
Also, when you (and I) went to school, the Ivies all dropped D1 football for all of the reasons that are so apparent today. The mission of any university is the education of their students. Hosting football spectacles and allowing players who aren’t students are not comaptible with the purpose of an academic institution. The old days are dead, the new days are horrible and cannot last.

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December 11, 2024 11:49 am
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I admire your focus!

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December 12, 2024 7:04 am
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I will, after all, wasn’t it Boise St who upset Okie once in a bowl? I’ll be pulling for underdogs just for the fun of it.

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December 12, 2024 12:25 pm

I believe that was when they had an extraordinary team coached by Peterson. This year they have an excellent RB, but the team hasn’t faced competition from the two dominate conferences.
The question remains, do BSU, SMU and another belong in the plaoffs over Alabama?

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The players have always been paid through a full ride scholarship, training, facilities, tutors, nutrition, and on and on. Fact is, many of these players don’t value an education. Most can’t even meet the entrance requirements that are met by the student body. S, given all these, why on earth would a top 25 academic rated university support D1 foot and basketball (where it’s even worse than football)? some would argue it’s all about money. Is it? Was that why the Ivies withdrew from D1 sports many years ago? Does a USC, with over a $5 Billion endowment, need to… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 11:24 am
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So what do you want USC to do?

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I highly value the remarkable progress that SC has made in the academic rankings. Time have changed, particuliarly in the HS students that SC now admits. With all that is going on in the college football world, there is little point in a serious academic institution continuing with D1 football and basketball programs. I would like to see these intitutions follow the Ivy league and drop D1 programs. New leagues could be formed, just as the Ivies did. I see Stanford, UCLA, Cal, Washington, and others forming a new league. I’m sorry to see this all go down, as a… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 12:28 pm
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As someone said in the past, (paraphrasing) there aren’t many people showing up by the tens of thousands to cheer for the chemistry department.

I would also argue that the last thing I would want is for USC to model anything after an Ivy League school. IMHO, the Ivies are the most overrated educational institutions in America. They create arrogant elitist snobs full of impractical ideas. They have been the birthplace of Woke—a bane on the culture of the USA.

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December 12, 2024 7:05 am
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Chemistry dept…LOL!…that was funny!

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December 11, 2024 12:22 pm
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Like it or not, college sports (mostly football, but at some schools it’s basketball) drives the excitement for a top university. Being a member of the Tribe (the Trojans, the bruins, the Fighting Irish, the Bulldogs, etc.), from attending games and all of the social experience connected with the games create a huge loyalty to the university brand. I firmly believe this loyalty drives donations to the schools. For private schools like SC and ND, offering a great football experience is essential. I hope organizations involved can reign in the free agency enough that it doesn’t ruin the unique excitement… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 4:44 am

These players are not just leaving for money. I understand that this is a new day, but these players are leaving also because there’s no direction from a coach who doesn’t have a clue.

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December 11, 2024 6:51 am
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Players want good coaching, on a good team that gives them good money. USC is lacking in all 3 especially coaching.

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December 11, 2024 8:14 am
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Why is it that Texas, Georgia, Alabama are losing guys. It is about the money primarily. Of course there are guys who want to be coached well, but looking at this mess called the portal, it is short sighted, misguided desires for the money right now.

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December 11, 2024 8:21 am
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Georgia is losing 3 and Texas is losing 7. Guys not good enough to play for a top 5 team. USC is losing 14 and counting. Guys who started at SC and will start elsewhere for good teams. That’s the difference. Coaching, winning and money, not just money is what they want. Great for them to have options.

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December 11, 2024 8:42 am
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Yes, and I believe that those players leaving Ga and Texas are asked to leave….

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December 11, 2024 8:56 am
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Steveg if more programs refused to participate in this payola Portal and those players don’t get the offers expected, would we see a collusion lawsuit of some type happen like it did in MLB years ago?

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December 11, 2024 10:53 am
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Those schools all ask players to leave to make room for guys that are better, in the majority of cases. There is a difference between the bigs and SC. IMHO.

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December 10, 2024 8:15 pm

I’m not certain USC football can recover this time from its program being slowly dismantled from the inside. Too many variables now ( NIL, Portal, major conference realignment etc), versus the Helton years. We have a very young coach, trained in a very niche offense, one that’s never comes close to winning a national championship, doesn’t allow possession / clock control, minimizes defensive unit rest and recovery and no accountable coach for special teams. We have a coach who hasn’t built or rebuilt a program, just grabbed dad’s keys and said thanks ! We have a coach who resists the… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 10:57 am
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Mostly agree with what you stated. However, when you say SC isn’t physical enough for the B1G, what is SC’s overall record in the Rose Bowl” They were certainly more than physiical then. The fact they aren’t today is more related to the inability of LR to function as a HC rather than an OC! IMHO!

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December 11, 2024 11:57 am
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My point was relevent as I was saying that SC had traditionally been more physical than the B1G. PC’s taems dominated!
After hellton and now LR, that isn’t true, for many reasons.

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December 11, 2024 12:10 pm
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Unless our stomachs can handle more years of LR trial & error failure, USC has to bite the painful bullet and get rid of him and hope PC would be enticed to return. To me he has the knowledge taking the right steps to rebuild and receive favor from the fanbase to support the program.

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December 11, 2024 12:52 pm
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Is there another Dan Lanning floating around the Deep South with a similar background?

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December 11, 2024 3:01 pm
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UNC is calling for a press conference to announce the hiring of Bill Belichick.

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December 11, 2024 3:25 pm
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Will he do better than George Allen did at Long Beach?

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December 11, 2024 3:58 pm
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He coached only one season for Long Beach and it did not work out because he was too ‘old school’ for the college kids. Other than that, he was a well respected professional coach. He served as the head coach for two teams in the National Football League (NFL), the Los Angeles Rams from 1966 to 1970 and the Washington Redskins from 1971 to 1977. Allen led his teams to winning records in all 12 of his seasons as an NFL head coach, compiling an overall regular-season record of 116–47–5. Seven of his teams qualified for the NFL playoffs, including… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 6:50 pm
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Ugh, I watched Fran Tarkenton beat my Rams every year.

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December 12, 2024 7:13 am
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Loved watching my Vikings beat the Rams and ‘Skins back in the 70s. Was born just south of St Paul, so life-long fan. However, I won’t gloat about those days because they never capitalized on those wins to win a SB. They’ve ripped my sports heart out so many times over the years that I’m completely numb and no longer get excited when they have a good season. Don’t want to be let down again. A good friend I grew up with in TN just sent me a photo of him standing with Chuck Foreman, an early prototype of the… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 3:02 pm
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Bilichick has accepted the UNC job! Some thought he was jockeying for interest to get a NFL gig. But this answers that thought. Those who paid close attention to this story kept implying how the present college game is becoming similar to the pros in Portal/NIL paying & budgeting which Bilichick admitted he did the research and agrees. Now the question is who will be calling PC on the phone next who is sitting around waiting for it to ring?

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December 11, 2024 11:59 am
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USC used to stockpile recruits ( some say to keep away from competing programs) and had ample time to develop freshman-sophomores and be ready when the starter graduated. Now due to players being impatient and looking for better opportunities, there is pressure on the coaches to play a gifted player early and suffer the consequences. But you must have, and LR has to prioritize a recruiting-development program and stick to it no matter what. You will lose the better players anyway who will always look for the better deal. I would love to hear what Pete Carroll would do if… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 1:14 pm
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Some schools, like Oregon and Ga, still can stockpile players. They can pay the NIL and the guys will stay for national exposure. At SC, there is no national exposure anymore and they can’t afford the NIL to keep players. Note in LR’s comments that we don’t chose to meet the demands of some players as they aren’t worth the bucks. Is her talkinag about Duce? Quinton? Murphy? And the other guys who would have started next year? No, the correct answer is that they don’t have the bucks and LR is not an attraction for players anymore. Even QBs… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 8:50 am
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I think you are on point. My guess is that when you pay someone $100 million, with no performance standards, you are likely to remove a key motivator to succeed. LR has retired, his abilities aside. And now you have the changes to college football flike NIL and Free Agency. these change the game entirely. Look at the debate around the playoffs. The B1G and SEC could justifably field 4-5 playoff teams each. The concessions to minor conferences are not justified, as we will soon see with BSU and SMU. This was a major issue in the impact of two… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 7:46 am
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A GM can help at this time.
This season was very close to being ok. Just critical interceptions at end of games
was the biggest problem.
Also keeping the players happy has turned into a problem.
Not problems that can’t be fixed, but need the coaching and management
that can do it.

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December 11, 2024 8:40 am
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Wanting to control everything in a program? You won’t find many HC’s not wanting to. But when some control is lost or taken away, it’s a sign that HC is overwhelmed in putting the program together properly so it all works towards winning. And that goes against the ego and points the finger at the HC he’s not up to the task which leads to him having to share authority and challenges his expertise. I think this is knocking at Riley’s door as he isn’t able to manage the rebuild of USC football with the moves he’s made. It has… Read more »

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December 11, 2024 8:54 am
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A GM is but a band aid to cover the weakness of LR. Did PC need a GM? JMcK? JRob? Georgia, Notre Dame, Texas, and so on?
College football has been inalterbly changed due to NIL and Free Agency and will never return to the populality and interest it used to have. Just anoth pro sport….

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December 11, 2024 11:02 am
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What will hurt is the SC alumni that feel as I do. And I suggest that is happenong as SC has not been able to raise NIL funds that others have.
That aside, it is interesting, as you point out, that SC is making the investment in new facilities for football. That is addition to paying out OC $100million with no performance standards.
I don’t think Jen Cohen has been able to establish a real power base here. Part of the problem is the Trustee group, where there isn’t any dominate athletic booster as there used to be.

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December 11, 2024 12:01 pm
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Yes, that is interesting. Note that the Prez has also announce leaving.
My insight is that the BofT has changed from it’s prior constituency and there no longer is a strong leader supporting major athletics.
The consequences remain to be seen, but the new facilities were not wholly supported…

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December 11, 2024 1:18 pm
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What abouit water polo? They are up for another NC….then there is my favorite, beach volleyball, always a NC!

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December 11, 2024 2:23 pm
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Roger that!

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December 11, 2024 12:41 pm
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I think Carol Folt ran off the pro-athletics/football boosters. That will continue to be a big problem

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December 11, 2024 1:03 pm
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Not really, fact is, she was run off…. Once the former head ran for Mayor of LA, the Board morphed over into something else entirely.

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December 11, 2024 1:08 pm
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He’s not a happy camper….😳

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December 11, 2024 1:56 pm
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Put another way, USC needs cfb more than cfb needs USC, especially since the rise of another west coast power.

I’ve lost all faith and hope in LR. However, if there is any hope at all, it is that his rather large and fragile ego will get so bruised that he will set out to prove everybody wrong…by doing the right things. I’m not holding my breath, I’m certainly now in the “I’ll believe it after I’ve seen it” camp.

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December 11, 2024 12:38 pm
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The McKay, Robinson and Carroll days ain’t coming back, TB.

LR needs an on field rehab of coaching philosophy, and a GM type to handle the negotiations and off the field issues due to free agency and NIL.

LR is limited in his coaching perspective—this is a problem. He certainly cannot build a program—that is where a GM type would be a help.

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December 11, 2024 1:07 pm
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Yes, that’s the “micro” situation, although no competent HC needs (or wants) a GM. The “macro” circumstances, of course, revolve around NIL, Free Agency, universities directly playing players, etc. Given much of the SC alumni base doesn’t like either the micro or the macro, they do not have the funding level of the majors and, hence, are at a big disadvantage. We have some 14 players already in the portal…

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December 11, 2024 1:24 pm
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Good point. However, don’t you feel that most successful HC’s have an enormous ego? Doesn’t that go with what it takes to get a NC in a major sport?
Of course, it’s just my speculation, but I tjink, no, the Football HC runs the program – even the AD steps aside for the Sabans, McKs, PC’s, Kirbys, Days, Harbaughs….right?

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December 11, 2024 2:27 pm
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I don’t disagree with that. I don’t think LR’s ego would have allowed him to serve under anyone… BTW, Lanning’s ego is up there, but so far he has handled it.

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December 11, 2024 5:25 pm
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Not to mnetion that he has access to unlimited (?) funds for NIL… I also think Sark has matured into one top HC, Kiff also. All studs, as you say.
Then there are the Brian Kelly’s of the world…

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December 12, 2024 6:48 am
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Very true. With all the SC players that have opted for the portal, we should not go to a bowl. Our team will look ridiculous and we will be steamrolled. Who needs that? LR certainly doesn’t. I don’t need that as one of my son in laws went to ATM….

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December 10, 2024 7:14 pm

Now Duce Robinson is gone. Riley cannot keep players. When can we rid ourselves of this non-program builder?

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December 10, 2024 7:20 pm
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Just need a buyer, a very wealthy buyer.

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December 10, 2024 7:37 pm
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Peevy is in portal.

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December 11, 2024 3:32 am
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in about 4 or 5 years. Until then we have to grin and bear it.

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December 11, 2024 11:03 am
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Then that will make two decades of incompetence: Hellton and Riley!

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December 10, 2024 6:52 pm

“I really want to rely on high school recruiting as much as we can.”

How can he say that when he rarely visits high schools? He doesn’t darken the door of MD until the end of year 3. Sorry, Brat, your words are empty and we see through them.

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December 10, 2024 7:33 pm
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I guess a big Oregon donor found out that Big 10 refs are easy.

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December 10, 2024 8:23 pm
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Indiana or Ohio State or Tennessee have then hardest path.

TN has to go thru an 8 and a 1. IN has to go through a 7 and a 2. Both on the road both games.

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December 10, 2024 8:57 pm
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Agreed. UGU has both Boise St and SMU on their side, neither of which anybody would probably put in a realistic top 10.

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December 11, 2024 4:04 pm
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Sports hosts are Implying the playoff committee over-valued conference champions to the point they had to knock down ratings of teams who were better and played stronger schedules. That put Oregon in the toughest playoff bracket with Ohio St, Texas & Georgia as possible matches if they win their initial games. The real winners are Penn St & Boise St.

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December 11, 2024 3:36 am
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I hope they are all wrong. I hate Oregon!!!!