USC coach Lincoln Riley suggests there is no reason to panic as Trojans go Portal shopping as usual hoping to fill big holes on 6-6 Las Vegas Bowl team…
Ryan Kartje (LA Times) — The transfer portal was open less than 24 hours when Lincoln Riley appeared on USC’s “Trojans Live” radio show Monday night. Already by that point, 11 players had announced their plans to hit the portal, among them the Trojans’ right tackle, Mason Murphy, and running back of the future, Quinten Joyner — two departures that stir red a frustrated fan base into a portal-induced panic.
So when Riley was asked about his approach to the transfer market, he had a point to make. College football, the coach opined, was now basically “a professional model.” That meant “making some tough decisions” about “where to allocate reps or where to allocate resources, roster spots, all of those things.”
“The reality is there’s just some guys that you just can’t or are not going to pay what they want,” Riley said. “If your value doesn’t match the money, then it’s not going to go well much longer, it’s not going to go further. There’s a cutthroat part of that that is just part of being a professional organization, and again, that’s what we’re becoming.”
In other words, the players weren’t the only ones at USC making shrewd business decisions.
“You’re getting ready to reduce roster size, you’re getting ready to have a salary cap essentially,” Riley said. “You’re going to see sometimes people that feel like, ‘I got a better opportunity to go play at this place or that place,’ and sometimes — more often than what people realize now — it’s the school telling the kid, ‘Hey we’re sorry. This just is what it is right now.’”
As its roster stands, USC probably could have used a potential star running back and an offensive tackle with years of starting experience. With Murphy and Joyner departing, both the backfield and the offensive line represented glaring holes that Riley probably would have to plug through the portal.
And the exodus continued Tuesday afternoon as one of the Trojans’ top young receivers, Duce Robinson, also entered the portal.
Riley hasn’t had any issue finding replacements at running back in the past. In each of his three seasons at USC, the coach successfully recruited a new transfer to lead the backfield, hitting on Travis Dye, MarShawn Lloyd and Woody Marks in consecutive seasons.
Joyner was supposed to be the first of Riley’s homegrown backs at USC to stop that cycle, taking the reins of the Trojans’ run game after developing behind both Lloyd and Marks. He averaged 7.6 yards per carry this season, flashing glimpses of explosive star potential when given the opportunity.
But running behind Marks — an Associated Press All-Big Ten second-team selection — Joyner never quite carved out a consistent role. He received more than six carries in a game just three times in two seasons. It wasn’t until Marks left because of an injury in the first quarter of USC’s season finale against Notre Dame that Joyner was asked to power the offense during a critical stretch. He responded by rushing for 83 yards on a career-high 10 carries.
A little more than a week later, Joyner was gone, and USC was again sifting through the portal for a replacement. With Marks off to the NFL, 230-pound freshman Bryan Jackson will get a chance to prove himself as the lead back through bowl season. But with few options behind him, expect Riley to go back to the transfer well.
Along the offensive line, Riley said on many occasions that he hoped to move away from the portal-reliant approach USC used the previous two offseasons. Just two weeks ago the coach expressed confidence in how his young linemen were progressing.
“We’ve got a lot of good-looking young linemen that are talented and going to be good players,” Riley said. “It’s been a while, probably well before I was here, since that was the case.”
But desperate times may call for further portal pursuits up front. The Trojans’ two most consistent linemen this season, center Jonah Monheim and guard Emmanuel Pregnon (also an AP All-Big Ten pick), soon will declare for the NFL draft. USC’s only reserve linemen with extended experience, guards Gino Quinones and Amos Talalele, entered the transfer portal. And with Murphy joining them, that leaves three starter spots to fill and nary a lineman with more than 100 snaps of experience to fill them.
As bleak as those circumstances may seem, USC actually has more pressing portal needs elsewhere. The Trojans are trending toward losing their entire starting secondary, assuming safety Kamari Ramsey declares for the draft as planned. They could stand to add a few veterans to their defensive front too, with depth depleted both on the line and at linebacker.
Within the Portal’s first day, offers to talented defenders were rolled out in full force. Among those on USC’s immediate radar: former five-star Kentucky defensive tackle Keeshawn Silver (pictured), Elon edge rusher Cazeem Moore, Marshall linebacker Jaden Yates, Western Kentucky defensive lineman Hosea Wheeler, San José State cornerback DJ Harvey, Washington State cornerback Ethan O’Connor and Michigan safety Brandyn Hillman.
And then there’s quarterback. Riley offered a vote of confidence in his current room but made it clear he plans to pursue a passer in the portal to bolster depth behind Jayden Maiava and five-star freshman Husan Longstreet.
Utah transfer Sam Huard is an obvious dot to connect, given his family ties to USC quarterbacks coach Luke Huard. Riley also once offered a scholarship to Duke dual-threat Maalik Murphy, an Inglewood native who’s expected to be one of the more coveted quarterbacks available.
Other dominoes are still to fall. At receiver, the Trojans already lost two of their top targets, Robinson and senior Kyron Hudson, while speculation ramps up over several others.
USC, it seems, will again be busy in the portal. That’s not the route Riley hoped to be taking ahead of his fourth season at USC. But considering where his roster stands, he doesn’t really have a choice.
“I’ve said many times, I want us to be a developmental program,” Riley said. “I really want to rely on high school recruiting as much as we can. But you do have to adapt. You do have to adapt to the market. I mean, it’s changed so much. Even the fact that we even call it a market now. But it is, it is.”
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Grad asst defensive analyst Bryson Allen-Williams is taking over the LB coaching duties for the Las Vegas Bowl.
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A very real question for the Blog: should SC, given it’s present state, play ATM in a Bowl? Can SC even field a team from the year’s first and second string player?
Obviously the result could be a real disaster. As in humiliating. ATM will pile on!
What will suffering a major setback in a Bowl do for recruiting?
Is it even possible for SC to decline tol play in the post season?
What say you folks?
USC looks bad enough as it is. Refusing to play in the Las Vegas Bowl would make the program look even more wimpy. And image matters, especially if you’re a team like USC that still thinks of itself as a blueblood.
Also, since USC is losing so many players, the team badly needs bowl game practice and prep to see how the younger fill-ins stack up so the staff can have a better idea of just how big the holes are that need to be quickly filled.
Yes, for sure there is damage on rejecting the Bowl. And there is damage in playing and being humiliated. I’m not sure which is worse.
And yes, Bowls have been great to have more training and practice for the team. However, would that be true for SC with 14 players in the portal, the graduating guys probably opting out for the NFL combine, and none of the replacements from the portal on board yet?
I think today’s circumstancesd are different!
If Jen Cohen pulled USC out of the Vegas Bowl against a major market and huge brand A&M team, she would never live it down. I wouldn’t have the guts to do it if I were her. It’s easy for you to say don’t play. You have nothing to lose. But the people at the top of USC have a lot to lose, and it could be a big mark against their careers and USC’s image. Most of us don’t expect USC to win. I know I don’t. That’s already baked in because we lose a lot as it is.… Read more »
I agree that, at this point, you can’t, politically, turn down the game.
I just shudder to think about the debacle, however, it looks like ATM is also crippled, so let’s play!
I am in favor of playing. We just need to go back one year and remember what the players did in the Holiday Bowl under similar circumstances when Caleb Williams refused (or opted not to) to play in the bowl game along with another 14 players.
According to the nytimes.com, Texas A&M has lost 18 players to the portal so you could ask the same questions of them. I agree with Allen that the bowl game presents an opportunity for younger players to audition for playing time in 2025. I think the team that is most motivated to play will probably win the game. ✌️
Are you talking about TAM? (Texas A&M) They are losing as many as USC if not more. I think the bowl means very little to recruiting.
Play it, anybody, any place, any time. USC football.
It’s ATM the way they pay for players. The Bowl could further damage SC for recruiting from the portal.
And yes, I yearn for the days of “anyone, anywhere, anyplace.” The sanctions, then Hellon and now LR have seriously damaged, if not destroyed that.
The King is dead, long live the King!
Play…… bowl results should not be taken that seriously…..too many players are out on both sides. We would be a laughing stock for running away.
However…….hopefully the Brat will run the ball quite a bit to use up the clock. Keep the score reasonable either way.
He better not pull one of his brain farts and screw up the game….it’s a low level bowl but people will be watching nationally so he’ll get lots of dads across the country saying…..who is that dummy, you’re not playing for him….
The only reason to not play is if you can’t sell your ticket allotment and would take a big loss. Lesser programs with smaller budgets can take a big hit. USC can handle it. The extra practice and playing time for 2nd and 3rd stringers is valuable. It could help portal by showing holes USC needs to fill and portal guys will see opportunity to start. The game doesn’t start till 10:30 ET so the TV audience will be small. Nobody will care in 3 months.
Bill Belichick taking the UNC job raises new questions about Pete Carroll at USC A REALISTIC PETE CARROLL PLAN Matt Zemek (TrojansWire) — Lincoln Riley is very much on the hot seat at USC entering next season. Another season with at least five losses, and he’s probably gone. 6-6 should definitely lead to a dismissal. The question is if 8-4 is enough to keep him around for 2026. He might need to go 9-3, because USC head coaches are not paid to lose four games in a season. If USC is on the border between 8-4 and 9-3, it… Read more »
It would take a lot for them to fire him after next season. Even if he went 6-6 or 6-7(including the bowl game loss), I don’t think they would fire him. They would still owe him around $80 million. I don’t think that they will pay it. Look how long they held onto Clay Helton before they moved on and they didn’t owe him nearly the kind of money they owe LR.
I tend to agree. Lots of people in the media talk about firing Lincoln Riley, in part because they don’t like him. Part of that is because of his enormously giant and undeserved salary. USC is stuck with The Brat. We made a huge mistake and got hoodwinked by the glitter of OU football. It’s not that hard to see how it could happen, especially if you were desperate like USC was after the Helton years. Frankly, I don’t know what USC intends to do about its football program. The fact we are building this incredible new $$$$ football facility… Read more »
Will Folt’s replacement be a Nikias or a Sample when it comes to supporting USC football? Will it be a current Big Ten president, ACC President or ? If what we have recently read is accurate, the present BOT could go a number of ways if a Caruso type isn’t there to protect tradition? Whoever it is will have a big say if USC will stay a big player in football with money & direction. So much transition ahead!
Interesting view! The current Board are all in on academics and would like SC to return to the trajectory (academic rating) they were on prior to teh scandals. I think they would closely examine what role D1 athletics play in the overall objectives for the University, given all the changes to what was at least a somewhat student/athlete activity. Now it’s professional football.
Yes, The US News & World report’s University ratings have shown USC ranking has dropped. Don’t believe I have ever seen it that low at # 27.
They have already redone the coliseum and now they are building other things to bolster the football program. They are too far into it to just give up on the football program. Unless LR surprises us and becomes this reborn football coach with new unique ideas that work big time, there will have to be a change but it will be at least 3-4 years before that happens. I would think that they will be very careful and hire the right guy next time.
It would take a current-day “drone expert” to figure out what USC football looks like from 30,000 ft.
USC football seems very vulnerable to me. If we end up waiting for 3-4 years to see if Lincoln Riley can somehow miraculously grow into a great coach, that sounds like a best-case scenario.
But even that’s not very good. I’m worried now about the Portal, A&M and the 2025 season. I try to live in the present.
If USC has another season like we just had, it’s scary to think how much further Trojan ball could drop in the CFB world.
I don’t know how much further Trojan ball could drop. The AP poll lists 36 teams that received votes…..SC wasn’t one of them.
I’m guessing that all those athletic improvements were funded by alumni and not the University?
I wonder whether or not the fact that SC, under LR, was recently sanctioned/penalized by the NCAA would be cause for dismissal? Or are thgeir no contract provisions stipulating the conduct of LR?
Just askin’ for a friend….
Some of these people who have big jobs making big money at these educational institutions don’t seem to know what they are doing. Belichick would have been an average, AT BEST, coach in the pros without Tom Brady. This guy can’t relate to anyone. He’s a loner. Kids 18-22 are not going to see him as some kind of a father figure mentor. He’s not a people person.This is a waste of money on the part of UNC
I think 72-year-old curmudgeonly Belichick might be a nice little shot in the arm for UNC in the first year. That often happens.
But as you accurately point out, he’s not made for CFB. I think UNC already knows this too.
Only the first three years of his contract are guaranteed and his buyout to leave drops from $10 mil to $1 mil next June.
That makes sense. I didn’t know that about his contract.If you look at his record apart from Tom Brady, it’s 70-93. That’s not a great record. I wouldn’t hire him if I was AD at NC
A lot of SC players are jumping into the portal but they can still rebuild if they are aggressive and bring outstanding players in through the portal.SC has lost 14 people so far.Last year Colorado lost 41 people through the portal.They ended up 9-3 this year. Alabama and Indiana lost 39 players.Alabama went 9-3 and Indiana went 11-1 this year
Not a great comparison as Sanders wanted to clean house and totally rebuild the program through the portal, which he accomplished.
USC true freshman OT Kalolo Ta’aga is the latest (14th) Transfer Portal loss Erik McKinney (WeAreSC) — Ta’aga (6-7, 315, Palo Alto Riordan) dealt with injuries during his true freshman season and did not see action in any game. He was a three-star recruit in the 2023 class and the nation’s No. 755 overall player and No. 48 OT. Ta’aga was viewed as a depth piece for the immediate future but someone who could potentially develop into an impactful player at OT. USC signed two four-star tackles in the 2025 class in Alex Payne and Aaron Dunn, and both will be expected… Read more »
SC can never seems to get all the aspects of their football program together.For a number of years at Oklahoma and USC, LR had a great offense but no defense. This year they went a long way towards fixing the defense but then their offense(which is always good) was not operating on all cylinders. They had a lot of skill players on offense and defense but were short on the big uglies up front. Now they are bringing a lot of really good players up front and the skill players are all leaving in the transport portal. That was one… Read more »
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Quite a different attitude than we go from Caleb!!!!
Caleb had to save his body to better prepared himself for the beating he would receive with the Bears. He needed a head start healing. 😜
Caleb’s doing very well in view of the total “sh*tshow he landed in. Now with his lame HC already fired mid-season, he’s set to make a big improvement if the Bears don’t screw this up and bring in another bad coach. The Bears are kind of like the Jets. Now that USC has a big history with both franchises, I’d sure like to see them get their head coaching moves right finally. It’s been so great to see what Sam Darnold, literally a longshot NFL MVP candidate with the Lions now, can do with the right people around him. Go… Read more »
I’ll be watching! Hope it’s a shootout and both QBs are lights out statistically.
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USC’s 2025 football schedule: 2 bye weeks in October and a late trip to Oregon Ryan Kartje (OC Register) — The bye weeks wrap around a grueling back-to-back against Michigan at the Coliseum and at Notre Dame in South Bend, with a visit to Eugene preceding the UCLA game Aug. 30: USC vs. Missouri State (8-4, 6-2 Missouri Valley Football Conference) USC narrowly avoids its non-FCS scheduling streak, as Missouri State will become an FBS program in 2025. Sept. 6: USC vs. Georgia Southern (8-4, 6-2 Sun Belt) The long-awaited reunion with former Trojans head coach Clay Helton will come. Sept.… Read more »
Not a bad schedule …the west teams opposition to this year’s poor travel and times is evident, looks better for all. After last year, not sure SC can do better than 7-5 under The Brat. I’ll go with 8-4 and hope for a 9-3. Looks good until at Illinois which I see as the 1st loss. Illni bring back every starter and a good qb . Which could bring the end of LR at USC. Real possibility he could lose 4 straight. Michigan, at ND, at Nebby, they will not be good but weather could be a factor on Nov… Read more »
Mich State has the former Oregon State HC running the program. I think they will be improved next season. OSU was always a thorn in USC’s side for the last several years….
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It was be fun watching this creep get beat by Syracuse
Only one USC player made The Athletic’s All-America first and second teams (top 50 players in the country)
P Eddie Czaplicki: Czaplicki leads the nation in net punting average at 45.45, per TruMedia. Nine of his 40 punts (22.5 percent) have been downed inside the 10-yard line, and he has just one touchback.
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A&M is an opening 2.5 – 3.5 point fave over USC.
I’ll take A & M.
USC football’s 2025 schedule released Connor Morrissette (USCFootball.com) — In 2025, USC will face Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern and UCLA at home, and will travel to challenge Illinois, Nebraska, Oregon and Purdue. USC football already knew its Big Ten opponents for 2025, but the schedule has now officially been finalized. Aug. 30 | Missouri St Sept. 6 | Georgia Southern Sept. 13 | @ Purdue Sept. 20 | Michigan St Sept. 27 | @ Illinois Oct. 11 | Michigan Oct. 18 | @ Notre Dame Nov. 1 | @ Nebraska Nov. 8 | Northwestern Nov. 15 | Iowa Nov. 22 @ Oregon… Read more »
USC transfer portal: 10 best fits currently available (Erik McKinney/WeAreSC)
Georgia Tech WR Eric Singleton Jr. (No. 1 overall, No. 1 WR)
Arizona OG Wendell Moe (No. 40 overall, No. 2 IOL)
Kentucky DT Keeshawn Silver (No. 29 overall, No. 1 DL)
LSU DE Da’Shawn Womack (No. 33 overall, No. 2 EDGE)
Northwestern OL Josh Thompson (No. 24 overall, No. 3 OT)
San Jose State CB D.J. Harvey (NR)
Virginia Tech C Braelin Moore (NR)
Tulsa WR Joseph Williams (NR)
West Virginia LB Josiah Trotter (No. 55 overall, No. 4 LB)
Arizona CB Tacario Davis (NR)
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No idea how to address the overall issue but I was talking to a guy that was the middle linebacker for the Indy Colts a couple decades ago last week at the local YMCA. He had some interesting ideas. He stated that they need pools. He thinks most all the cash goes to a few while most just get an education. Which he viewed as wrong. Especially for injury. Most players come from poor backgrounds and are hard working kids that could use a start to life. Some struggle even in school to enjoy a reasonable life. Given all the… Read more »
Well starting next year all college athletes will get some money direct from the school. Who gets what and how much is still to be determined. So things are moving in that direction. Interesting idea, if an athlete gets injured and can’t play, will the school still pay them? USC used to give 4 year scholarships even if they couldn’t play due to injury. It would be nice if they also got the stipend.
When they become directly paid by the u niversities, they become employees of that university. After that happens, we will see these “employees” form unions. And dictate to the universities, or strike if they don’t get what they want.
Bottom line is that all these changes, from NIL to Free Agency to paid employees will mkill college football, period!
It may require some legislation. Could it be considered like work-study financial aide?
Sure, but the “study” side has issues as these guys are not students of anything but football.
Miller Moss and his professors might differ with you.
Well, that’s one. Do you have another?
Wow, guess you got me, he’s the only college football and basketball player that ever earned a legitimate degree, in the last 5 years.
Well, I don’t know that I “got you,” but for the guys starting (not the third string) most left early and you don’t hear about any of the others getting a meaningful degree.
Tirebitter here is a report from NCAA on graduation rates of athletes. We all know some schools do way better than others Clemson (good) comes to mind vs Georgia (lousy) Posted: 11/20/2024 1:03:00 PM Division I student-athletes are graduating at record rates, according to the latest Graduation Success Rate data announced Wednesday. The overall single-cohort rate held steady at 91%, which is the highest rate recorded. Figures released Wednesday reflect graduation numbers among student-athletes who entered college in 2017. Since the implementation of Division I academic reforms initiated over two decades ago — including modifications of initial-eligibility requirements and progress-toward-degree standards, as… Read more »
Just because you graduate doesn’t mean you went to class and did the work and passed the exams. I had a friend many years ago who graduated from the University of Georgia and then moved to California. I got to know him in college. He used to tell me that U of G is no more riggerous academically than any high school.
Locally, it is hard to get in to UGA, because of the Hope Scholarship program in the State of Georgia (3.0 in HS, then maintain a 3.0 in every year at college gets you a full tuition scholarship–our state lottery funds this largesse). But once your there, it ain’t so tough, unless you are prepping to be a professional (Health Care, Law, Accounting/Finance, etc.). But all the yahoos in the state want to go the Athens to join Dawg Nation, the exception being the smart kids who want to got to GT.
For what it is worth, my belief is that unless you choose a course of study that requires some form of Calculus as a requirement, most college majors are a waste of time.
First, your report covers all athletes. All of my points were solely directed toward football players. At D1 schools. Secondly, that report covers players that entered in 2017. Very different today with the advent of NIL and Free Agency. An education is simply not a priority for the majority of D1 players. What percentage even last four years in college? And for a last point, how many of the football players took gut majors, like Sociology, that serve no useful purpose as a basis for a career? How many graduates were STEM majors? Today, none! How many D1 football players… Read more »
Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful. I tried to find stats just for football but came up empty
Ryan Kartje (LAT) — Matt Entz was always bound for a bigger job, if everything worked out as USC’s linebackers coach. So his departure to become head coach at Fresno State comes as no surprise. But it’s a big blow, nonetheless. Entz helped unlock linebacker Eric Gentry and developed Desman Stephens into a budding star by the end of his freshman season. Replacing him won’t be an easy task, but I’d expect USC to pursue an assistant that can step seamlessly into D’Anton Lynn’s scheme. An obvious dot to connect: Ken Norton Jr., who was linebackers coach under Pete Carroll and… Read more »
Ryan Kartje (LAT) — USC signed just three of the top 25 recruits in California to its 2025 class, per 247 Sports. It signed just two last year. That’s two consecutive classes in which USC signed fewer top California recruits than Oregon and Alabama. Over the last two seasons, Oregon has signed 12 of the state’s top-25 recruits, while Alabama has seven. This year, the Tide signed three of the top seven, while USC reeled in just one: Corona Centennial quarterback Husan Longstreet. FOX’s Colin Cowherd floated the idea that USC’s decreasing focus on Southern California is because those prospects are “soft”… Read more »
There are 133 FBS football programs that currently can offer 85 scholarships. That in potentially 11,305 players on scholarship plus walk-ons. There are 32 5* players for 2025, that’s .3% of all players. There are 427 4* players, just under 4%. 259 college players get drafted into the NFL. So these 4 and 5* athletes have a 56% chance of getting a pro career. So, over 95% of FBS college football players are at a college to get an education and hope football helps pay for it. The 4.3% that have a 56% chance to get to the next level… Read more »
Even for a 3 star that needs development, and was just a late bloomer, but could potentially make it, development, exposure and a capable coach is important.
95% of the college players are not “in school to get an education.” Most don’t even qualify to meet the entrance requirements of a university. They need tutors to stay eligable. They stay 4 years to get a degree?
No, today’s players are not in school to get an education…
Here I am proving the definition of insanity checking the blogs and newspapers for some good news about USC football. We have a bowl game (if you wanna call it that) in just over two weeks and might not have players enough to participate. The absurdity of the situation is beyond insanity. Players want to be compensated like professionals in what used to be an apprenticeship. To make up for the cash outflow, or fill their greedy pockets hosting venues are asking Super Bowl prices for tickets and games which consist of four- fifteen minute quarters but take 3 hours… Read more »
The schools are on the hook for the bulk of the “Super Bowl” priced tickets. If the school doesn’t sell them they eat the cost. Most of the schools in these early bowls will lose money by going. The useless bowls will go away when people stop going, people stop watching and schools refuse the deal to play in them. There are 133 FBS teams, less than 10% are in the playoffs. 72 teams will play meaningless exhibition games, some at a financial loss. 121 teams are looking to upgrade their talent to make the top 12 and players are… Read more »
Why would any players want to play for mired in mediocrity LR when current playoff coaches like Lanning and Dillingham offer more aggressive, confident, exciting team cultures and realistic shots at a better football experience. You don’t hear those guys whining to the press about the new CFB system like The Brat constantly does now and the players, both within USC and on the outside, hear that weakness loud and clear. It’s not attractive to many of the better, higher-quality athletes who don’t see the leadership at USC football that inspires them. USC has plenty of NIL money to spend,… Read more »
And there you have it all. folks. LR issues aside, the new normal for college football is professional football. NIL and Free Agency have changed (destroyed in MHO) college football forever. As we see today, there is no connection between the University and the football program. Gys like Duce and Joyner joined as freshman, played, now leaving for mo’ money. The University means nothing, the education means nothing, the connection between players and students is non existent – so why do serious academic institutions continue with these D1 football and basketball programs? The evolution will be towards more and more… Read more »
Tirebitter, I hate to admit it loving the game as I do. But you make a lot of sense and admittedly your thoughts here have been in the back of our minds ever since this cancer started hoping it wouldn’t develop as it has. Our only hope is the NCAA, our Institutions and Congress have to come together and get control of this runaway freight train to where we don’t lose this sport as it has basketball.
Sorry, but I’m not in favor of the corrupt and venal NCAA doing anything but back off. This free enterprise genie is completely out of the bottle and it’s not going back in. Players deserve to be paid what the market will bear, simple as that. And the teams at the top aren’t complaining. They’re just winning. The schools that adjust to that realism the best and make firm decisions about how to stay at the top among the elite with the best possible leaders and players will control the game going forward. Right now USC has a huge head… Read more »
Allen why should academic institutions continue to accept the consequences noted in hiring players to come and are anything but there to be students? Play one year and move on to a better deal elsewhere? I have yet to read or hear a NIL or Portal contract offer where the athlete has to attend classes, make a passing grade or loses a major portion of his pay? If he flunks out his contract is void? There has to be some level of control arranged that limits what an agent, parent & student will attempt to over ride and push this… Read more »
All I can say is that I think times have completely changed. For these CFB athletes now, it’s much more about being an athlete wearing a team’s logo for money than being a student who wore the uniform like Ronnie Lott. Nothing is the same about college anymore compared to when I went to school. But then again nothing is the same about the entire world today either. I think the game of CFB will survive with or without USC. There are still lots of deliriously happy fans out there. They just aren’t wearing Cardinal and Gold. We just have… Read more »
I just want to see Oregon and Texas lose.
I used to hate ORE like everyone else here. The new-kid-on-the-block-Ducks seemed unduly arrogant and really used to aggravate me — especially since USC used to own them many years ago.
But over the years I’ve come to appreciate their sustained football success as well as their uniquely constantly changing uniforms. Now that they are the dominant football program in the West, I’m all for them beating up on the rest of the CFB world just like they have vs USC lately.
Go Ducks! Rep the West!
Are you going to watch the SMU and BSU games?
Also, when you (and I) went to school, the Ivies all dropped D1 football for all of the reasons that are so apparent today. The mission of any university is the education of their students. Hosting football spectacles and allowing players who aren’t students are not comaptible with the purpose of an academic institution. The old days are dead, the new days are horrible and cannot last.
I’ll watch every playoff game if possible, at least in parts, though other holiday things will undoubtedly intervene.
That BOISE ST RB Ashton Jeanty is a sight to behold.
I admire your focus!
I will, after all, wasn’t it Boise St who upset Okie once in a bowl? I’ll be pulling for underdogs just for the fun of it.
I believe that was when they had an extraordinary team coached by Peterson. This year they have an excellent RB, but the team hasn’t faced competition from the two dominate conferences.
The question remains, do BSU, SMU and another belong in the plaoffs over Alabama?
ALA doesn’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
No team that lost three games should be complaining about a thing. As Dan Lanning often says, just win your games and you don’t have anything to worry about.
ALA even lost to 6-6 VANDY. Hugely disappointing 6-6 OU obliterated the Tide 24-3.
ALA’s a giant CFB name that feels left out because it’s a giant CFB name.
Teams that lose three games should be praying they get into a good bowl game instead of crying about the playoffs.
The players have always been paid through a full ride scholarship, training, facilities, tutors, nutrition, and on and on. Fact is, many of these players don’t value an education. Most can’t even meet the entrance requirements that are met by the student body. S, given all these, why on earth would a top 25 academic rated university support D1 foot and basketball (where it’s even worse than football)? some would argue it’s all about money. Is it? Was that why the Ivies withdrew from D1 sports many years ago? Does a USC, with over a $5 Billion endowment, need to… Read more »
So what do you want USC to do?
I highly value the remarkable progress that SC has made in the academic rankings. Time have changed, particuliarly in the HS students that SC now admits. With all that is going on in the college football world, there is little point in a serious academic institution continuing with D1 football and basketball programs. I would like to see these intitutions follow the Ivy league and drop D1 programs. New leagues could be formed, just as the Ivies did. I see Stanford, UCLA, Cal, Washington, and others forming a new league. I’m sorry to see this all go down, as a… Read more »
As someone said in the past, (paraphrasing) there aren’t many people showing up by the tens of thousands to cheer for the chemistry department.
I would also argue that the last thing I would want is for USC to model anything after an Ivy League school. IMHO, the Ivies are the most overrated educational institutions in America. They create arrogant elitist snobs full of impractical ideas. They have been the birthplace of Woke—a bane on the culture of the USA.
Chemistry dept…LOL!…that was funny!
Like it or not, college sports (mostly football, but at some schools it’s basketball) drives the excitement for a top university. Being a member of the Tribe (the Trojans, the bruins, the Fighting Irish, the Bulldogs, etc.), from attending games and all of the social experience connected with the games create a huge loyalty to the university brand. I firmly believe this loyalty drives donations to the schools. For private schools like SC and ND, offering a great football experience is essential. I hope organizations involved can reign in the free agency enough that it doesn’t ruin the unique excitement… Read more »
These players are not just leaving for money. I understand that this is a new day, but these players are leaving also because there’s no direction from a coach who doesn’t have a clue.
Players want good coaching, on a good team that gives them good money. USC is lacking in all 3 especially coaching.
Why is it that Texas, Georgia, Alabama are losing guys. It is about the money primarily. Of course there are guys who want to be coached well, but looking at this mess called the portal, it is short sighted, misguided desires for the money right now.
Georgia is losing 3 and Texas is losing 7. Guys not good enough to play for a top 5 team. USC is losing 14 and counting. Guys who started at SC and will start elsewhere for good teams. That’s the difference. Coaching, winning and money, not just money is what they want. Great for them to have options.
Yes, and I believe that those players leaving Ga and Texas are asked to leave….
Steveg if more programs refused to participate in this payola Portal and those players don’t get the offers expected, would we see a collusion lawsuit of some type happen like it did in MLB years ago?
Those schools all ask players to leave to make room for guys that are better, in the majority of cases. There is a difference between the bigs and SC. IMHO.
I’m not certain USC football can recover this time from its program being slowly dismantled from the inside. Too many variables now ( NIL, Portal, major conference realignment etc), versus the Helton years. We have a very young coach, trained in a very niche offense, one that’s never comes close to winning a national championship, doesn’t allow possession / clock control, minimizes defensive unit rest and recovery and no accountable coach for special teams. We have a coach who hasn’t built or rebuilt a program, just grabbed dad’s keys and said thanks ! We have a coach who resists the… Read more »
I’m worried that you are correct. I always thought USC football would soon be at the very top again and keep winning NCs, even if with long stretches of mediocrity in between. But with LR in charge and basically not fireable for a few more years, USC could lose more and more of the elite, storied cachet it built up forever, while wallowing in yearly 8-9 reg season win totals at best. Heck, NEB brought as many fans to USC Homecoming as USC did, and the Huskers stink and are going to the Bad Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl. Only time… Read more »
Mostly agree with what you stated. However, when you say SC isn’t physical enough for the B1G, what is SC’s overall record in the Rose Bowl” They were certainly more than physiical then. The fact they aren’t today is more related to the inability of LR to function as a HC rather than an OC! IMHO!
Time and time again this year I watched USC predictably get pushed around on the field when the game was on the line. We either couldn’t stop them, or we couldn’t score on them when it mattered.
Numerous past Rose Bowl victories have nothing to do with USC’s basic football irrelevancy these days.
It seems as though Trojan football has fallen down and it can’t get back up. I sure wish it weren’t so, but the results on the field for the last 15 years tell me otherwise.
My point was relevent as I was saying that SC had traditionally been more physical than the B1G. PC’s taems dominated!
After hellton and now LR, that isn’t true, for many reasons.
Unless our stomachs can handle more years of LR trial & error failure, USC has to bite the painful bullet and get rid of him and hope PC would be enticed to return. To me he has the knowledge taking the right steps to rebuild and receive favor from the fanbase to support the program.
If you were Pete, would you want to come back and risk semi-ruining your awesome USC legacy like John Robinson did? I don’t think Pete will ever coach USC again, just like I don’t think we’ll see Belichick coaching the Tar Heels either. I think both would take the right NFL head job though. The new CFB of 2024 is most definitely a younger man’s game. That’s a point in favor of LR, but he just seems way out of his depth trying to fight his way through the tough B1G with his current ideas about how to run an… Read more »
Is there another Dan Lanning floating around the Deep South with a similar background?
Somewhere in the U.S., there probably is. USC has never been good at finding these young up-and-comers. I think John McKay was our last big hit. We stole him from ORE and I think he always knew (or suspected) he was slotted to take over for Don Clark.
UNC is calling for a press conference to announce the hiring of Bill Belichick.
Will he do better than George Allen did at Long Beach?
He coached only one season for Long Beach and it did not work out because he was too ‘old school’ for the college kids. Other than that, he was a well respected professional coach. He served as the head coach for two teams in the National Football League (NFL), the Los Angeles Rams from 1966 to 1970 and the Washington Redskins from 1971 to 1977. Allen led his teams to winning records in all 12 of his seasons as an NFL head coach, compiling an overall regular-season record of 116–47–5. Seven of his teams qualified for the NFL playoffs, including… Read more »
George Allen always had trouble with the Minnesota Vikings in various championship or playoff matchups. They were often a huge thorn in his side.
Ugh, I watched Fran Tarkenton beat my Rams every year.
It was brutal, wasn’t it? Just heartbreaking for my young football psyche. We even had the freakin’ Fearsome Foursome, the greatest DL in the NFL. But the Purple People Eaters were just too much for us. 😂
Loved watching my Vikings beat the Rams and ‘Skins back in the 70s. Was born just south of St Paul, so life-long fan. However, I won’t gloat about those days because they never capitalized on those wins to win a SB. They’ve ripped my sports heart out so many times over the years that I’m completely numb and no longer get excited when they have a good season. Don’t want to be let down again. A good friend I grew up with in TN just sent me a photo of him standing with Chuck Foreman, an early prototype of the… Read more »
Belichick finally realized nobody in the NFL wanted him and nobody was gonna bite, so he took his only opportunity with the Tar Heels.
The old dictator curmudgeon couldn’t even relate to NFL players by the time he was booted. I don’t think this will work out well for him with the Tar Heels.
Bilichick has accepted the UNC job! Some thought he was jockeying for interest to get a NFL gig. But this answers that thought. Those who paid close attention to this story kept implying how the present college game is becoming similar to the pros in Portal/NIL paying & budgeting which Bilichick admitted he did the research and agrees. Now the question is who will be calling PC on the phone next who is sitting around waiting for it to ring?
I think Belichick was trying to posturize for an NFL gig. He played some of his cards, made some big-time demands which the Tar Heel brass went along with, and realized the NFL was done with him. Not many are able to succeed in both the NFL and college as head coaches. As Jimmy Johnson recently said, “The NFL is coaching. College football is recruiting.” I’ve never thought of Belichick as anything remotely close to a good recruiter. But I’m sure he laid out a detailed plan about how all that would be handled. Maybe Lincoln Riley should read it… Read more »
USC used to stockpile recruits ( some say to keep away from competing programs) and had ample time to develop freshman-sophomores and be ready when the starter graduated. Now due to players being impatient and looking for better opportunities, there is pressure on the coaches to play a gifted player early and suffer the consequences. But you must have, and LR has to prioritize a recruiting-development program and stick to it no matter what. You will lose the better players anyway who will always look for the better deal. I would love to hear what Pete Carroll would do if… Read more »
Some schools, like Oregon and Ga, still can stockpile players. They can pay the NIL and the guys will stay for national exposure. At SC, there is no national exposure anymore and they can’t afford the NIL to keep players. Note in LR’s comments that we don’t chose to meet the demands of some players as they aren’t worth the bucks. Is her talkinag about Duce? Quinton? Murphy? And the other guys who would have started next year? No, the correct answer is that they don’t have the bucks and LR is not an attraction for players anymore. Even QBs… Read more »
LR should quit making public excuses and get down to targeting a new fantastic LB coach and the other Portal prospects who will improve the team after all the departures. USC has the money. How do you think we got Jahkeem Stewart? The problem is The Brat’s a ho-hum recruiter with a recent bad record who doesn’t inspire people and he doesn’t get kids jacked up to play for him such as people like Lanning and Dillingham do. Just listening to either of those guys talk for five minutes lets me know I would choose to play for them over… Read more »
I think you are on point. My guess is that when you pay someone $100 million, with no performance standards, you are likely to remove a key motivator to succeed. LR has retired, his abilities aside. And now you have the changes to college football flike NIL and Free Agency. these change the game entirely. Look at the debate around the playoffs. The B1G and SEC could justifably field 4-5 playoff teams each. The concessions to minor conferences are not justified, as we will soon see with BSU and SMU. This was a major issue in the impact of two… Read more »
USC Needs a GM Who Can Work with Lincoln Riley Antonio Morales (The Athletic) — The Trojans tried to hire Alabama general manager Courtney Morgan this summer, but Morgan elected to remain in Tuscaloosa despite a significant financial offer from USC. With the Trojans’ questionable roster building, there has been a lot of attention placed on the search for a general manager — or whatever the official title might end up being. In today’s climate, college football programs need someone who can evaluate talent and build a roster while also being able to negotiate NIL deals and manage everything that comes with… Read more »
A GM can help at this time.
This season was very close to being ok. Just critical interceptions at end of games
was the biggest problem.
Also keeping the players happy has turned into a problem.
Not problems that can’t be fixed, but need the coaching and management
that can do it.
Wanting to control everything in a program? You won’t find many HC’s not wanting to. But when some control is lost or taken away, it’s a sign that HC is overwhelmed in putting the program together properly so it all works towards winning. And that goes against the ego and points the finger at the HC he’s not up to the task which leads to him having to share authority and challenges his expertise. I think this is knocking at Riley’s door as he isn’t able to manage the rebuild of USC football with the moves he’s made. It has… Read more »
A GM is but a band aid to cover the weakness of LR. Did PC need a GM? JMcK? JRob? Georgia, Notre Dame, Texas, and so on?
College football has been inalterbly changed due to NIL and Free Agency and will never return to the populality and interest it used to have. Just anoth pro sport….
Yours is an intriguing point. I have also thought that CFB would lose fans because the players are basically overpaid employees now and will soon have a giant collective bargaining organization to operate within. Yet USC is currently building a zillion-dollar football facility and just joined the B1G to make a bunch more money and get better exposure. If USC were a much better playoff team that was getting ready to play TEXAS or CLEM or TENN in Round 1, wouldn’t we be all in? I think I would. The game will go on with or without USC. We’re down… Read more »
What will hurt is the SC alumni that feel as I do. And I suggest that is happenong as SC has not been able to raise NIL funds that others have.
That aside, it is interesting, as you point out, that SC is making the investment in new facilities for football. That is addition to paying out OC $100million with no performance standards.
I don’t think Jen Cohen has been able to establish a real power base here. Part of the problem is the Trustee group, where there isn’t any dominate athletic booster as there used to be.
All the more reason to fear that Jen Cohen is looking for another job. I hope those rumors are BS, because if they aren’t, USC has even significantly bigger problems. As you can tell, I’m a big fan of hers.
Yes, that is interesting. Note that the Prez has also announce leaving.
My insight is that the BofT has changed from it’s prior constituency and there no longer is a strong leader supporting major athletics.
The consequences remain to be seen, but the new facilities were not wholly supported…
It sounds like everything except Women’s Soccer and Basketball is in a giant cluster at USC. Can’t wait to finally hear some positive news. 😂 ✌
What abouit water polo? They are up for another NC….then there is my favorite, beach volleyball, always a NC!
Ya, I love USC Beach Volleyball! I can’t believe I left those girls out. Thanks for reminding me Tb!
Roger that!
I think Carol Folt ran off the pro-athletics/football boosters. That will continue to be a big problem
Not really, fact is, she was run off…. Once the former head ran for Mayor of LA, the Board morphed over into something else entirely.
You mean we can’t use Caruso’s jet to fly in our next head coach? 😉
He’s not a happy camper….😳
Put another way, USC needs cfb more than cfb needs USC, especially since the rise of another west coast power.
I’ve lost all faith and hope in LR. However, if there is any hope at all, it is that his rather large and fragile ego will get so bruised that he will set out to prove everybody wrong…by doing the right things. I’m not holding my breath, I’m certainly now in the “I’ll believe it after I’ve seen it” camp.
The McKay, Robinson and Carroll days ain’t coming back, TB.
LR needs an on field rehab of coaching philosophy, and a GM type to handle the negotiations and off the field issues due to free agency and NIL.
LR is limited in his coaching perspective—this is a problem. He certainly cannot build a program—that is where a GM type would be a help.
Yes, that’s the “micro” situation, although no competent HC needs (or wants) a GM. The “macro” circumstances, of course, revolve around NIL, Free Agency, universities directly playing players, etc. Given much of the SC alumni base doesn’t like either the micro or the macro, they do not have the funding level of the majors and, hence, are at a big disadvantage. We have some 14 players already in the portal…
I would totally welcome a GM were I a CFB HC. I’d be involved of course in who was hired for the position, which only makes sense.
Then I could focus on what I do best and delegate to my GM stuff I don’t like or things I need expert, better researched advice on. We work together, I have final say.
What’s so bad about that, especially if it means I now have a better team because I have more eyes on the ball?
Good point. However, don’t you feel that most successful HC’s have an enormous ego? Doesn’t that go with what it takes to get a NC in a major sport?
Of course, it’s just my speculation, but I tjink, no, the Football HC runs the program – even the AD steps aside for the Sabans, McKs, PC’s, Kirbys, Days, Harbaughs….right?
I have a saying. My ego is not my amigo. Too many times ego gets in the way. People with overly huge egos have ruined a lot of businesses and relationships. Having a healthy ego is much more important than having an enormous ego. Lincoln Riley needs help from a very smart GM. If he can’t see that, I wouldn’t be surprised. As far as great ones like McKay, times have changed. He could never coach today like he did in the ’60s. Coaches like Lanning surround themselves with great coaches and staff. We’ve already seen how LR has been… Read more »
I don’t disagree with that. I don’t think LR’s ego would have allowed him to serve under anyone… BTW, Lanning’s ego is up there, but so far he has handled it.
I’ll use an overused football word to describe Lanning, who does have a very big ego as you say. We older guys used it a lot as kids. He’s a stud. He brings that tough, never-back-down mentality to the game. And when I watch the Ducks play, I see a fully integrated team that’s all about winning, dedication to the cause, and selflessness when necessary. I wish I could say the same about USC. If huge egos bring that about, I’m all for those egos. As you say, Lanning has handled it very well. He exudes a joy for the… Read more »
Not to mnetion that he has access to unlimited (?) funds for NIL… I also think Sark has matured into one top HC, Kiff also. All studs, as you say.
Then there are the Brian Kelly’s of the world…
Also, there’s a thing called The Saban Factor. Many players would and often did take less to go to ALA and play for Saban where they felt they would win much more and be better coached and prepared for the NFL. And all of that is true. Same thing with Lanning, who is much more appealing publicly than the often defensive, condescending Lincoln Riley. Sad, but unfortunately true for very many USC fans. Lanning is one of the true bright young stars of CFB. At this stage, nobody questions his developing talents (at least nobody I know of). Riley is… Read more »
Very true. With all the SC players that have opted for the portal, we should not go to a bowl. Our team will look ridiculous and we will be steamrolled. Who needs that? LR certainly doesn’t. I don’t need that as one of my son in laws went to ATM….
Now Duce Robinson is gone. Riley cannot keep players. When can we rid ourselves of this non-program builder?
Just need a buyer, a very wealthy buyer.
If only Elon Musk cared about college football and loved Air Raid coaches who think they are QB Whisperers! 👌
Peevy is in portal.
in about 4 or 5 years. Until then we have to grin and bear it.
Then that will make two decades of incompetence: Hellton and Riley!
“I really want to rely on high school recruiting as much as we can.”
How can he say that when he rarely visits high schools? He doesn’t darken the door of MD until the end of year 3. Sorry, Brat, your words are empty and we see through them.
13-0 ORE is the first team in the history of the B1G Conference to beat OHIO ST, PSU, MICH and MICH ST in the same season.
Aaron Taylor on the Ducks — “They didn’t just come in. They came in, sat on the couch, ate all your chips, grabbed the remote, and went to bed — in your bed.”
I guess a big Oregon donor found out that Big 10 refs are easy.
ORE’s the best-coached team in the B1G, maybe the entire country. Amazingly, their path to the national championship is so difficult even though they are the #1-seeded team. Crazy how that somehow panned out.
Indiana or Ohio State or Tennessee have then hardest path.
TN has to go thru an 8 and a 1. IN has to go through a 7 and a 2. Both on the road both games.
Ya, and they should have a hard path with their 8th, 9th and 10 seeds. They all lost two games or were beaten very badly.
Undefeated 13-0 ORE still has to go through probably TEXAS and either TENN or OHIO ST even though the Ducks are the #1 seed. #2 GA’s path is much easier than ORE’s.
Agreed. UGU has both Boise St and SMU on their side, neither of which anybody would probably put in a realistic top 10.
Sports hosts are Implying the playoff committee over-valued conference champions to the point they had to knock down ratings of teams who were better and played stronger schedules. That put Oregon in the toughest playoff bracket with Ohio St, Texas & Georgia as possible matches if they win their initial games. The real winners are Penn St & Boise St.
It’s gonna be one heckuva interesting 12-team playoff. The interest in CFB will be through the roof with these matchups, there are so many good ones.
I haven’t see enough of BOISE ST to figure if they can win their first game against either PSU or SMU. The Bronco brand always suffers in that regard. But ORE only beat them 37-34 in the 2nd game of the season and that game was in Eugene. Jeanty is an amazing back too.
Oregon’s Dillon Gabriel, Colorado’s Travis Hunter, Boise State’s Ashton Jeanty and Miami’s Cam Ward were announced as the Heisman Trophy finalists on Monday night.
Sorry Shedeur Sanders. Hunter or Jeanty have it all locked up anyway.
Inside College Football (CBS Sports Network) Predictions for the 2024 National Champion
Brian Jones — ORE
Rick Neuheisel — ORE
Randy Cross — ORE
Aaron Taylor — ORE
It’s a Duck Sweep!
I hope they are all wrong. I hate Oregon!!!!