USC vs ND; Playoffs vs Storied Rivalry

Lincoln Riley shouldn’t take all the blame if the USC-Notre Dame rivalry ends

Reggie Bush pushes quarterback Matt Leinart into the end zone for a victory over Notre Dame in 2005.

USC and Mississippi had just canceled a home-and-home series, and rumors were swirling that Riley had pushed administrators to pull out of last September’s matchup with Louisiana State too. When he was asked what led to those changes, Riley didn’t hide his feelings about how scheduling should be handled. Why would any power conference school schedule marquee nonconference games in the future, he wondered aloud, unless there were “more guaranteed [College Football Playoff] spots in some of these conferences.” Otherwise, he predicted, those games would happen “less and less.”

“Our schedules are already going to be so good,” Riley said. “At some point, you’re like, alright, is the juice worth the squeeze in terms of playing these games?”

Before we address how that logic applies to Notre Dame — and before you start screaming “COWARD!” at your phone/computer screen — let’s acknowledge the fact that Riley has a point. He is paid — more than all but a few coaches in the sport — to get USC to the College Football Playoff. Period. And as the playoff is currently constructed, there is no real incentive, on paper, for a coach such as Riley to want an extra marquee nonconference game on the schedule. Remove 95 years of context with the Irish and, to his point, the juice probably isn’t worth the squeeze.

This issue runs far deeper than just Notre Dame and USC, but let’s address the golden-domed elephant in the room, since Notre Dame’s athletic director has the college football world worked into a lather.

This is what Riley said about the rivalry last summer:

“If you get in a position where you’ve got to make a decision on what’s best for SC to help us win a national championship versus keeping that, shoot, then you gotta look at it. I mean, listen, we’re not the first example of that. Look all across the country — there’s been a lot of other teams [that] sacrifice rivalry games. I’m not saying that’s what’s going to happen, but you know, as we get into this playoff structure, and if it changes or not, we’re in this new conference, we’re going to learn something about this as we go.”

And boy did USC learn something on the road in its Big Ten debut. The Trojans unraveled on all four of their conference road trips. They realized how hard it would be to mix in an October trip to South Bend during that annual gauntlet. No other Big Ten teams have that challenge on the Trojans’ particular timeline. Not to mention there’s a possible Southeastern Conference-Big Ten crossover matchup to consider in the future.

Automatic qualifiers to the College Football Playoff are the quickest way to solve this problem, as far as USC is concerned. It would give teams such as USC comfort that a loss to a nonconference opponent in September wouldn’t keep them out of the playoff. However, it would also mean rendering games such as USC-Notre Dame mostly meaningless as far as playoff resumes go.

USC is choosing to take the cold, calculated route when it comes to this quandary. And I understand why. Why should the Trojans be expected to carry the water for the soul of college football at the cost of their own playoff odds, while the rest of the sport’s leaders, USC’s own included, have made clear just how much tradition actually means to them?

Don’t get me wrong. USC isn’t being brave with its stance. It’s openly acknowledging that it is choosing the route of least resistance, no matter how its fans may feel about it. That’s not exactly valiant. And by calling them out for holding up negotiations, Notre Dame’s athletic director has already won the PR battle. If the rivalry ends after this season, the narrative will forever be that USC killed it with cowardice.

I do think that narrative would ignore some key points. Notably that USC hasn’t said it wants to end the game. Only that it doesn’t want a long-term contract before it understands the parameters of the playoff. Nor was Notre Dame interested at all in having a conversation about any concessions to USC’s situation, such as an early season date for the game, to help get a deal over the finish line. If these negotiations were simply about maintaining the rivalry, Notre Dame would have agreed to play next season already. This isn’t a one-sided stalemate.

I know that USC athletic director Jennifer Cohen would prefer to continue the rivalry with Notre Dame. I know she understands how much equity she could lose if it doesn’t continue.

I also have no doubt that she will take the heat, if necessary, for its demise, if it means putting USC on a better path to the College Football Playoff.

Is that hope of a playoff worth losing a storied rivalry? I’d understand if you said no. But USC leaders have made abundantly clear how they feel about that question. Let’s hope they never have to answer it.

Extra points

Saint Thomas exits a tunnel of smoke and steps on the Galen Center before a game against Oregon

Will Saint Thomas walk onto the court with the Trojans next season? (Gina Ferazzi / LAT)

—USC basketball still has two roster spots available for the 2025-26 season. One is currently being held for Saint Thomas. But it’s not clear how much longer Eric Musselman and his staff are willing to wait on Thomas’ appeal to the NCAA. The sentiment within the program was that Thomas had a compelling case for a mental health waiver, but the gears of justice grind slowly with the NCAA, and Thomas is running out of time. Summer practice kicks off on June 9. If he isn’t granted an extra year, expect USC to fill that spot with a low-major, all-conference-type point guard who could initiate the offense when called upon.

—Six-foot-10 sophomore forward Jacob Cofie is one to watch this summer. USC’s staff is very bullish on the young big man. One person with close knowledge of the program told The Times that they expect Cofie to be on draft boards by the start of Big Ten season. Along with Utah transfer Ezra Ausar — who stands 6-8, 242 pounds — Cofie should give USC much more of a physical presence in the paint, something it sorely lacked last season.

—Leaders from the Power Four conferences are floating a binding document that would force schools to fall in line with the new NIL enforcement entity … or else. It won’t workI, for one, would love to see the Big Ten try to kick USC or Michigan or Ohio State out of the conference for not bending the knee to the new College Sports Commission. But more critically here, there’s no way that such an agreement would pass legal muster. College sports can’t supersede state law, no matter what some galaxy-brained commissioners might think.

—The College Football Playoff field will no longer give the four highest-rated conference champions an automatic first-round byeThat change to “straight seeding” was unanimously approved last week by CFP leaders, after the initial format last season was received poorly pretty much everywhere outside of Tempe, Ariz. In the new format, the committee’s top-four rated teams will be ranked one through four and get that coveted bye, no matter if they won their conference or not. That might sound like a tedious change. But this is better for everybody.

latimes.com

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parcelman007
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June 1, 2025 11:18 am

USC football will soon be back.SC will always soon be back. They have too many advantages in sunny SoCal. That’s why so many people hate SC.Why does Kirk Frentz knock SC so much? Because he knows how easy it is for SC to get recruits to become Trojans and how hard it is for him to get them to become Hawkeyes especially when the most exciting thing to do in Iowa City is to take an adventuras scenic walk through the cornfields.Who knows maybe they’ll find the Field of Dreams.

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June 1, 2025 11:38 am
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Very true. But this possible resurgence is due to some very strategic moves by Jen Cohen. She’s made improvements in almost every area SC has been plagued by mediocrity. The one question mark remaining is LR. Everything has moved forward, matured, and addressed, but we don’t know if LR will remain frozen in a one-dimensional, outdated offense. He doesn’t have any coaching experience that would suggest otherwise, unless an OC gets hired ( doubtful). Most of the time, these types of coaches can’t make that progression whether it’s a lack of understanding or plain stubbornness. Would Bear Bryant, Barry Switzer,… Read more »

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May 31, 2025 11:13 am
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Hey, maybe getting hot at the right time?

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May 31, 2025 5:47 pm
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SC winning tonight would be huge. Let’s hope they can pull it out, and wait for the Beavers tomorrow.

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May 31, 2025 9:25 am
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If you’re going to bring in a generational 5 star tight end. you might think about throwing the ball to him once in a while.

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May 31, 2025 4:04 pm
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Remember,Bama, Georgia, Ohio State and all the big schools still have a year to flip him. SC’s number 1 tight end caught 24 passes last year for a 10.2 average. SC might want to increase the numbers of the TE a bit next year to convince him that SC is committed to throwing to the TE.This guy really is a cross between a TE and a wideout. You don’t want to use him as just a blocking TE

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May 31, 2025 4:30 pm
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Well Linkin could not keep Duce Robinson around.

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May 30, 2025 9:59 am
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This is the norm in a good part of college basketball today. Two-three HS recruits that will shop around after their first year here, and the rest are Portal players that shop around annually. How do we like it? So far, this appears to be Musselman’s system in forming a team “each year”? The player loyalty is what? The ranking of getting a degree lands where before your eligibility runs out and you are looking for a semi-skilled job somewhere. You can say all it took was for a crack in the door,started by Ed O’Bannon, and see how it… Read more »

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May 30, 2025 11:40 am
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My concern is as the pay for play rises and college conferences attempt to control it by not offering a certain player, then a collusion lawsuit is made as we saw in MLB and we saw how that ended up with today’s progressive judges.

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May 30, 2025 6:38 am
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Friday College Games suck!

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May 30, 2025 9:12 am
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At least it is a home game for USC. NW has to travel 2 time zones on a short week. That’s the problem with Friday games. Noticed Oregon has a home Friday game before USC comes to town giving them an extra day to prep.

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May 31, 2025 1:25 pm
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18-24 yo who have to play other 18-24 yo who didn’t have to travel on a short week. Advantage home team on Fridays. You are right, if LR gets his act together, this is a schedule set up for success.

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May 31, 2025 11:18 am
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High school games should have a night to themselves. Difficult for fans to get to the game, especially on the left coast.

Has Bama, the Buckeyes, Michigan, Georgia scheduled any Friday home games yet? Thought so.

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May 29, 2025 6:59 am
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If you need to use your arms, out. If you need to use two hands, out. If it is used by the Prime Minister of England who beat back the Frickin’ Nazis, that’s the winner!

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May 30, 2025 6:01 pm
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What? You mean the ASU Shocker didn’t make the top 10?

Shocking

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May 28, 2025 8:55 pm
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USC played two teams ending in the top 25 last season. ND was one of them. In the PAC-12 they played 3-teams ending in the top 25 in 2023 and the year before that four teams in the top 25. If you play the Wisconsins-Minnesotas-Marylands-etc. and lose to most of them, it says you’re not good enough to be in the playoff. The Big Ten may be a tough conference but you don’t play all the teams in one season. Ending the ND rivalry may be a cop out, but ND helps USC be USC as a blue blood and… Read more »

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May 30, 2025 6:42 am
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But this series should NEVER be cancelled.

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May 29, 2025 6:08 am
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As long as the other two OOC games are cupcakes at home and the BIG continues to provide USC a schedule which allows us to miss playing a good portion of the elite BIG each year the tradition should continue. Jamaica is dead on…..if you don’t beat Minnesota…..come on……you actually think you’re going to the playoffs…..and if you do the result is going to be appealing.
USC should continue improving…….but……unless something happens this year……fix the one thing that everyone knows is the problem……and this time hire a proven coach that believes in traditional football that has a background check.

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May 29, 2025 7:07 am
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If ND-USC goes away it is not LR’s fault. It shouldn’t be up to him. He will be gone in 2 years, this game has been played for 100 yrs! This will be up to the BOT, the new president with input from the TV brass and Jen Cohen. Move it to September and be done. When USC has a decent HC they will beat their Big10 schedule, an SEC team and ND, and get to the playoffs. They have the talent and staff to do that now, just need to get rid of the current HC.

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May 30, 2025 6:41 am
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Oh hell yes!

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May 28, 2025 3:31 pm

Slightly off topic, but it irks the hell out of me that ND can year in and year out play such a weak schedule, constantly defending it because “we’re independent” and hold so much media power. The NCAA does not hold strength of schedule as a primary bracket priority as they say. It’s lip service. I too believe the offer of meeting in the early part of the season is a reasonable idea, and doesn’t impact ND at all. They can simply push one of their games like the midshipmen or Duke, or Boston College to the end of the… Read more »

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As far as last season goes I would say, yes and no. On the surface, they played 5 from the ACC, 2 Big10 and 1 SEC. Turns out, no fault of theirs, 5 of those 8 had losing records. They also had 4 so called cupcakes but lost one of them. They beat Army at home the week before going to USC. Then they win 3 playoff games to get to the NCG. You could make the argument that that soft schedule gave them fresh legs for a playoff run. Which happens to be USC’s argument for not playing ND… Read more »

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May 28, 2025 5:13 pm
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I agree that in some circumstances it’s no fault of their own, but that doesn’t mean by seasons end the NCAA looks the other way. Last year they were able to rest starters, give backups significant playing experience that most big conference schools don’t get to do often, and focus on probable playoff opponents, not worried about finishing a tough schedule. Don’t get me wrong, USC was not in contention, and Lincoln Riley is hanging on by a thread, holding us captive by a poorly negotiated contract, but I’m tired of ND always having a way in.

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May 28, 2025 11:45 am

The USC vs. Notre Dame game is the annual contest of two scorpions locked in a bottle. We’ve been doing this for 95 years, not because it’s easy. If Lincoln Riley gets to weasel out of this tradition, we’ll have to change the USC motto “ Fight On” to something more flacid. Tommy Trojan is weeping.

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May 30, 2025 6:47 am
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The series should be played in October, home and away. Other than that, keep it going as long as there is college football.

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May 28, 2025 10:51 am

Kartje’s point about USC unraveling during it’s four B1G road games had absolutely NOTHING to do with road travel or fatigue. No, the losses were due to boneheaded clock management and play calling during critical points in the 4th quarters of said games. Linkin’ gets teams ready for road games about as well as Uncle Huggs did. When it is financially feasible to do so, we really need to move on from Riley. I think we can attract a great coach now that we have a great AD and General manager/recruiter. USC-Notre Dame defines USC football. Notre Dame-USC defines ND… Read more »

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May 28, 2025 9:41 am

So lets say, USC keeps ND on the schedule. Long time fans are happy. Big10 – SEC sign a deal, USC adds an SEC game to the schedule. That’s 11 tough games. Maybe they get lucky and have a Miss. St and a Purdue type every year. Now if it was the USC of Pete or the Crimson Tide of Saban it might not matter. But how many of Pete or Nick’s teams could play that schedule AND get through the playoffs and win a NC? Especially if ND stays in November every other year. Hate to see the game… Read more »

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May 28, 2025 8:27 am

“College football has been taken over by the television companies, one of which I work for as you know. But honestly none of that in my opinion has anything to do with USC-Notre Dame, and should not have anything to do with USC-Notre Dame. And that’s the beauty of USC-Notre Dame is that it transcends conference realignment, it transcends the NIL, and it transcends all of these different twists and turns in the sport. If it can survive World Wars it should be able to survive the selfishness and the absolute myopic nature of the era we live in,” Petros… Read more »

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May 28, 2025 7:57 am

Lincoln Riley is not holding a good hand in this argument because of his poor coaching on the field. While he may have a point he’s not in a position of power in these negotiations. Currently Notre Dame is saying we want a long term patsy late in the season and SC has been filling that need.
Three things drive ticket purchases. Team loyalty, team strength and price. Unfortunately USC is not strong anymore, so it’s down to loyalty vs. price and loyalty ain’t winning at my household. Riley might just kill the goose for good for me.

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May 28, 2025 9:06 am
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Simple solution, ND agreed to change the rivalry game to first 3-games of the season. If they balk, then they can go find another pigeon to pad their season strength.

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May 28, 2025 6:55 am

The USC fanbase-SoCal supporter is not going to be thrilled to buy season seats like SEC fans that have nothing else to go to, with a schedule of 3-2nd rate opponents.

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May 28, 2025 5:07 am

Nobody wants to call out ND for continuing its independent status when cfb has transitioned from a regional sport to a mega-conference driven sport. Seems to me ND wants their cake and to eat it too.

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May 28, 2025 9:56 am

Of course they do. ND will find out soon enough as the number of playoff spots grow, the attraction of scheduling them will dissipate as not needed to where they will find themselves with a few ACC lightweights, the service academy’s and little else. I don’t think the Big 12 will offer to be ND’s fodder. It will force them to fully join a conference…… and they know it!

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May 27, 2025 9:18 pm

Good article about the issues involved in the SC-ND rivalry.

I can definitely see the points for ending it but I think they could keep the game every year but move it to September to start the season as a home and home series.

If ND doesn’t like this, then screw them and let’s drop them.