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Jimmy Gunn (67, 68, 69   —  consensus AA; USC was 29-2-2 in his career)

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This info was brought to my attention per TOS.
But with the removal of Levi Jones from the team USC has lost a total of 12 scholarship players from either transfers or dismissal within the last calendar year of 12 months.
This says alot about Clay Helton as a coach. To me he is losing control of players with many off the field matters. Or that he doesn’t evaluate very well. But 12 full rides have moved on in such a small amount of time is not good any way you look at it.

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Just did the math—that’s 14 percent of 85 scholarship players.

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Clay is the father who loves his kids so much no matter what it cost that they ran over him. I feel bad for him but he was the guy who could have pushed may buttons during his time as Head Coach to avoid everything that has happened up to this point.

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I just noticed something, and tell me if I’m crazy — I don’t think the safety against Cal was actually a safety. First JT touches the ball at the 6-inch line, but can’t get and it spins on the goal line. A-Ced then picks it up and stretches the ball about half a yard out of the end zone, where he is hit and driven back into the end zone. His forward progress is clearly out of the end zone before he is driven back in and tackled. Unless I’m missing something, that means it should have been fourth and… Read more »

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My understanding of the rules in that situation is that Ced Ware’s whole body had to be in the field of play to avoid the safety.

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I’d be interested to know the rule — that doesn’t sound right to me. I think it is not a safety if the entire ball is out of the end zone when he goes down, but I don’t think that negates the forward progress rule.

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I don’t think I was clear above. The entire ball must be advanced out of the end zone to avoid a safety — and Ced clearly had the ball fully in the end zone when he was tackled. But a safety does not negate the forward progress rule. Ced extended the ball forward out of the end zone, and established forward progress out of the end zone, and then was knocked back and tackled in the end zone. I did a little searching and found a discussion about this situation on “officiating.com,” and a message board of apparent officials seemed… Read more »

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It is a safety when: The ball becomes dead out of bounds behind a goal line, except from an incomplete forward pass, or becomes dead in the possession of a player on, above or behind his own goal line, or becomes dead by rule, and the defending team is responsible for the ball being there. (A.R. 6-3-1:IV) (A.R. 7-2-4:I) (A.R. 8-5-1:I-II, IV and VI-X) (A.R. 8-7-2:II) (A.R. 9-4-1:VIII) When in question, it is a touchback, not a safety. Exception: It is not a safety if a player between his five-yard line and his goal line: intercepts a pass or fumble;… Read more »

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I thought JT recovered it in the end zone, while he was laying down.

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The ball ended up in Ced Ware’s hands but I think, like you are remembering, that they may called JT (and the ball) down.

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When JT touched the ball, it was still over the goal line…then he kept going and the ball stopped there until Ced grabbed it.

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There are two things I look forward to on Saturday. Ware to gain over 200 yds whether we win or lose, and then I get on a ship to the Caribbean for the next week.

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Jimmy Gunn lived in the same apartment complex where I made my home junior year. He had a second floor apartment overlooking a small pool. Football team friends were frequent visitors. (The co-ed on the other side of the pool was occasionally visited at odd hours by Gregory Peck.) The rumor around the complex was that after hungry teammates persistently emptied Jimmy’s refrigerator during their visits, he purchased a chain which he wrapped around the appliance and secured it with a padlock. He was a poor kid with a big appetite and couldn’t afford the raids on his refrigerator.